Oh that's right......gonna say it again
Fix netcode!
You gave us (after last drama a total of few small fixes for online).
New beta is dead not because the physics need more work (better, but worse).......but because no real actual improvement to online.
If a proper series can be held.........many would join, mod, play, etc......
Just saying, fix online!!!!
This beta is more dead than any other........and beta3 was pretty damn dead!
Thank you Geo for being the guy to say something despite your past drama.
If the online play was even a slight more smooth that is one thing and we could live with the clunkiness of other riders while online.
The real issue is not even half of the people that are still playing this beta even attempt to play online.
I would love to get our group together and start a series for this community and watch it explode, but honestly its not worth the headache.
Without a doubt only 4 or 5 people would show up and probably 20 others or more would give up due to connectivity issues.
All we really want is some feedback as to a possible solution or if anyone is even looking into the issue.
Otherwise maybe its worth putting time elsewhere.
I agree! I love this game and i can really see this game being the next big thing but if i try to join online it wont connect or crash. Beta 4 i never tried to play online but either beta 5 or 6 was the only time i could play online, Now i can only play by myself i find it hard for it to be my internet or my pc i get 60mb/s download and about 30mb/s upload and i have the average pc.
Since the main bugs that annoyed me have been fixed in B7, I think it really is time to get online working GREAT. Not even a decent experience. We want a perfect, smooth online experience. We want to have a 40 man gate outdoor series, not a max of 3 players online before the whole game crashes.
I've been here since way before beta 1, and I still think this game has lots of potential, but it's time to fix online. I just won't be looking forward to Beta 8 if it once again only has physics fixes. The physics are awesome already, seriously. The thing that keeps people away from buying, or even playing this game is online.
I don't think online can wait much longer before seriously no one will be playing the game anymore.
And don't think think about releasing the game on steam before online doesn't have ANY issues anymore.
I for one would love to race series. But I haven't even been able to join any server other than the forest track one.
Hopefully soon I can get that UDP crap figured out.
I'm with you guys. I've had a lot of fun in the past just riding with a few guys online. It beats grinding out laps solo offline by a lot. The physics are great (much better compared to the online aspect). This game is only so fun offline though... The game itself is good enough to get me playing for hours at a time offline but eventually i just leave wanting something more. We need headache free online gameplay asap in my opinion. MX Bikes could be something huge, and i think a smooth online experience would be a catalyst for growing the game, getting people excited, and making the best organized online moto racing series possible.
I hear you, loud and clear.
The community has spoken.
lol..
I agree on the issues..
but lol = geo can't really leave the game bc it is "dead shit" hahah.. and I really think he loves shit.
I love being a shit 8)
But I have just saw this: http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=5536.0
The only future is to improve sims enough to generate enough $$$ for WRS it seems.
All to compete with iRacing, haha....
Every game is released just to generate money for next, basically.
A whirlwind of nothing will ever be done.
Sad........if multiplayer worked in just 1 it would be a gem and support all for $$$.
But yet, only physics matters, lol
That would explain my absence. the online play is far from seamless, and in my opinion, the physics still have some major bugs, but I still have hope that all the pieces will fall into place at some point, so this game still absolutely has my support, just not my time so much right now. ALSO, does anyone else feel the same way I do in thinking this (picture) is what feels so off and unpredictable with the physics? Especially when cornering, I feel like the bike has training wheels, especially the odd movements and unpredictability. Just my thoughts.
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Quote from: ℊℯℴ on December 16, 2017, 07:19:48 PM
But I have just saw this: http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=5536.0
The only future is to improve sims enough to generate enough $$$ for WRS it seems.
All to compete with iRacing, haha....
Every game is released just to generate money for next, basically.
I thought I was writing in decent and reasonably clear English, but apparently this is not the case... :-\
I've been offered a chance to extend WRS to compete with iRacing, ONLY for the dirt ovals part. Of course WRS is no match for iRacing as a whole. Unfortunately I don't have time because I have to focus on MXB. Hopefully there will be another chance next year, but I'm afraid this kind of possibilities come only once, and when you lose the train, it's gone forever.
WRS doesn't need money from other sims, it needs work-hours that sadly at the moment I don't have... It's really sad considering how much I love it.
KRP and MXB are pretty much self-sustaining, so no problems there.
GPB is the project that desperately lacks stock content, and would greatly benefit from extra-funds, because it's not selling nearly enough.
Peace out.
I may need to check WRS out. Dirt oval is a lot of fun!
Nevermind the dirt ovals, the rallycross and road stuff are amazing. It's a great game, just zero content and no ai make it boring
Quote from: GDUBMX on December 18, 2017, 08:29:04 AMjust zero content and no ai make it boring
Pretty sure a proper working multiplayer would increase the community and get that game 'out there'.
Quote from: PiBoSo on December 17, 2017, 12:50:15 PMI've been offered a chance to extend WRS to compete with iRacing, ONLY for the dirt ovals part.
IMO, you stand a better chance of taking on MX Sim rather than iRacing IF you concentrate your effort or delegate others to the 3 other sims. Nobody knows what you're armed with or have been offered(other than Geo's attempt) as far as capital or programmers, but iRacing has an entire army and Fort Knox on their side comparatively. Dreams are a good thing, delusion is another. It feels like you might be getting a little schizophrenic with all of these titles to try decide which one to bank on with limited resources.
Quote from: PizzaChet on December 18, 2017, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on December 17, 2017, 12:50:15 PMI've been offered a chance to extend WRS to compete with iRacing, ONLY for the dirt ovals part.
IMO, you stand a better chance of taking on MX Sim rather than iRacing IF you concentrate your effort or delegate others to the 3 other sims. Nobody knows what you're armed with or have been offered(other than Geo's attempt) as far as capital or programmers, but iRacing has an entire army and Fort Knox on their side comparatively. Dreams are a good thing, delusion is another. It feels like you might be getting a little schizophrenic with all of these titles to try decide which one to bank on with limited resources.
:o
As already posted before, WRS only got very little development time for the latest update, to primarily focus on MXB.
What delusion are you talking about? ???
Competing with iRacing. Doesn't that translate into taking a bite out of their share of online racing? How does online racing for WRS compare to iRacing?
Quote from: PizzaChet on December 18, 2017, 08:42:09 PM
Competing with iRacing. Doesn't that translate into taking a bite out of their share of online racing? How does online racing for WRS compare to iRacing?
That was a collaboration proposal coming from another company.
I often regret detailing what happens behind the scenes of development. There is almost always a lot of misunderstanding.
Sorry to harsh on you Pib. I've been with you since the first days of GPB before the revamp of the engine and got a little miffed at you putting so many irons in the fire. I for one believe you could definitely benefit from a collaborative effort as long as it's not a sellout. I always thought you and Josh L. Vanderhoof (MX Sim guy) should collaborate and get the best of both worlds in MX, but that is more delusion than dream(see what I did there?). We all want to see you succeed, since it's sorely needed in this genre, but also are quite frustrated at the incredibly long beta cycle. Good luck and I'll wait for your domination of the wheeled sim world!
Quote from: PiBoSo on December 18, 2017, 09:42:30 PM
That was a collaboration proposal coming from another company.
I often regret detailing what happens behind the scenes of development. There is almost always a lot of misunderstanding.
I don't think there is any reason to regret disclosure of any kind. One thing that could help is MORE transparency and better overall communication. A lot of times both you and Snappe have very short, almost condescending replies. Now, you may not see them coming off that way, but sometimes more than a brief sentence is needed and would help with misunderstandings if you elaborated just a bit more. I don't have any clue what your work/life balance is and won't claim to understand everything you have going on, but a community driven project thrives when the developers are capable communicators.
Also, on the topic at hand and the community aspects I mentioned, why don't you lean more on the community to assist with asset creation to flesh out the game quicker while you do the physics/engine/etc work? I know there would be plenty of folks who would be happy with a simple named credit. Maybe have some kind of contract stating no money is to be exchanged so ther is no legal shit hitting the fan if someone decided later they wanted a piece of the pie. I just don't see why you wouldn't want outside help when there are so many that would offer it in a heartbeat. Again, I'm sure its all easier said than done. :o
Unfortunately, I think he might've been suggesting that transparency leads to problems.
Being a business owner and upfront with my guys as much as possible (with profits, bonuses, and what to expect, etc).......I have to say this is NOT true.
I have 35+ employees and am as transparent as possible.
Never would I leave my guys in dark and what to expect.
But, PiB did say we are "sustained". Haha......
@Geo...
I have to ask why the turnaround?
You have done as much for this community as anyone, supported it as much as anyone, so what has caused you to have such a reaction to beta 7?
Piboso never said that online would be fixed for beta 7, you know he has 4 games to work on, it just doesnt make any sense.
We all want online to work better but no one else is making damaging threads like this one, you are not stupid, you know what you are doing.
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Quote from: ℊℯℴ on December 15, 2017, 01:55:39 AM
Oh that's right......gonna say it again
Fix netcode!
You gave us (after last drama a total of few small fixes for online).
New beta is dead not because the physics need more work (better, but worse).......but because no real actual improvement to online.
If a proper series can be held.........many would join, mod, play, etc......
Just saying, fix online!!!!
This beta is more dead than any other........and beta3 was pretty damn dead!
sick of reading the posts you keep making, such a crybaby. is this all for attention because you clearly a full of narcissism and hate being "left out". Just let the devs do their jobs and stop bitching,getting the devs to delete your profile then make some bullshit excuse that you were jsut curious if it could happen.........come on..... its all for attention! mr moneyman whos fuckin loaded and splashes his cash about to any old douche online, its patehtic. get some real fuckin friends and enjoy the game
You have a better chance with MXB then the other games, Trying to beat Iracing is like throwing a rock at a tank and hoping it blows up, You could easily beat out Mx sim if you do it the right way. All this game really needs is better online and more interaction with the community. You have heard the community B**** about this so do something about it.
Quote from: ℊℯℴ on December 21, 2017, 02:46:27 AM
Being a business owner and upfront with my guys as much as possible (with profits, bonuses, and what to expect, etc).......I have to say this is NOT true.
I have 35+ employees and am as transparent as possible.
Never would I leave my guys in dark and what to expect.
Do you know the difference between employees and customers? ::)
Do you publicly detail all your inner business decisions and problems with your customers?
Say we were thinking to branch the company to another area, yes it would be shared to employees and many customers in that potential area to feel the market interest out and help make that decision if it is worth it or not.
If we are having problems, it is expressed to both. Such as right now business is slow and we aren't shy to say it or hide it. Even many here know that.
Problems with equipment or installation, absolutely we share and fix. Say a hot water generator line breaks and floods an attic due to a fitting in the pipe. We find all customers we have same and go fix for free to protect us from future liabilities there.
Honestly, we are pretty open with both customers and employees, especially if specifically asked.
So, in your case to provide one line details of info and not openly speak to your community of testers about a potential to take dirt ovals and compete to get their opinions, I think is foolish.
On that note, IMO, we as a community of beta testers aren't really employees, but we're not really customers either. Sure we bought into it, but we didn't buy a game or sim to just play and mod. We also bought into the fact we are testers and the idea that we can provide feedback and improvements for the games official release.
Quote from: ℊℯℴ on December 22, 2017, 04:48:21 PM
Say we were thinking to branch the company to another area, yes it would be shared to employees and many customers in that potential area to feel the market interest out and help make that decision if it is worth it or not.
If we are having problems, it is expressed to both. Such as right now business is slow and we aren't shy to say it or hide it. Even many here know that.
Problems with equipment or installation, absolutely we share and fix. Say a hot water generator line breaks and floods an attic due to a fitting in the pipe. We find all customers we have same and go fix for free to protect us from future liabilities there.
Honestly, we are pretty open with both customers and employees, especially if specifically asked.
So, in your case to provide one line details of info and not openly speak to your community of testers about a potential to take dirt ovals and compete to get their opinions, I think is foolish.
On that note, IMO, we as a community of beta testers aren't really employees, but we're not really customers either. Sure we bought into it, but we didn't buy a game or sim to just play and mod. We also bought into the fact we are testers and the idea that we can provide feedback and improvements for the games official release.
I think I have a tear in my eye after reading this, Well put Geo
was gonna make a topic but maybe this one will do.
really just want to know what are the chances of netcode being fixed in 2018?
just a rough idea of what the plan is for netcode/2018 would be MUCH appreciated. happy new year everyone
Quote from: Alex on December 31, 2017, 05:51:11 AM
really just want to know what are the chances of netcode being fixed in 2018?
just a rough idea of what the plan is for netcode/2018 would be MUCH appreciated. happy new year everyone
The plan is to release MX Bikes on Steam within the first half of 2018, so multiplayer will have to be greatly improved during the upcoming months.
Quote from: PiBoSo on December 31, 2017, 03:48:52 PM
The plan is to release MX Bikes on Steam within the first half of 2018, so multiplayer will have to be greatly improved during the upcoming months.
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aw thats mean geo, let him have his plan
Quote from: john_710 on December 31, 2017, 09:36:34 PM
aw thats mean geo, let him have his plan
Mean? ???
He just quoted what I wrote...
Your right, I guess I miss understood
Not only improved, it has to be flawless before going onto steam. That is at least if you don't want the game to die :-\
For me, it has nothing to do with online play. The physics are are just too far from stable or predictable, or realistic at this point. Hope there are more improvements on the way.
cool thanks for reply.
Quote from: NorCal 986 on January 01, 2018, 02:15:34 AM
For me, it has nothing to do with online play. The physics are are just too far from stable or predictable, or realistic at this point. Hope there are more improvements on the way.
The comments of this video are food for thought: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fauAF3-I4tk
Not saying the physics don't need work, but that guy has had the game for ages, and he still never sits nor lean F/B L/R. So...
he was standing up for the whole vid :o ::)
terrible vid and demo of the game lol
"multiplayer will have to be greatly improved during the upcoming months." -PiBoSo
Keep this a priority and the community will explode no matter the physics change because its rideable and hard.
I also believe limiting servers to specific bike types/dynos is an issue because of connectivity problems..
However im sure you are tired of people telling you what to do with your game.
Hope you keep your word my man...