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EDIT NEW VERSION: Sunday May 29


By the initiative of NorCal 986 Motostar and with the help of Pacopastor, here is the jay's version of the 2016 Kawasaki Kxf for MX-Bikes.

Credits:
- Jay for the base model of the kxf
- Norcal for the initiative
- Pacopastor for his patience, and for being a good teacher
- Yann Bourgignon for his help on all the little parts on the model
- All of you for your patience !!

V2.1:
- New Geom file
- New normal map
- New mud layers
- New wheels
- Chain fixed (as much as i could. it doesn't really match with the sprocket but i did my best. At least there is no more double chain)

For the PSD, take 70$ with you and try to find Jay to buy it to him. Send an MP here --> http://forum.mxsimulator.com/ (http://forum.mxsimulator.com/)

(https://i.gyazo.com/3914d5f7923cf888a79d084c94d41535.jpg)
http://www.mxb-central.com/2016-kawasaki-kxf-250/

(https://i.gyazo.com/b5a011075b8e8f17661a19e6e3d48429.jpg)
http://www.mxb-central.com/2016-kawasaki-kxf-450/

Good job! there is just 2 things i noticed, in v2 and 2.1 the bike is really dirty after 1 lap, and for some reason my seats wont show up in game ???

Quote from: NorCal 986 on April 14, 2016, 06:14:16 PM
Good job! there is just 2 things i noticed, in v2 and 2.1 the bike is really dirty after 1 lap, and for some reason my seats wont show up in game ???

you got to duplicate your kxf.tga and name it seat in your pnt file. and for the dirt well, i like like this ! did you go until the 3rd mud layers ? that's what i call dirty ^^

For me it just seems a bit overkill. This at half a lap, and then the final mud layer. Also, have you though of exporting the bike with 2048 textures and doing paints in 4096? It would make the file much smaller and make it a lot easier for people to use the bike (especially online) because it's such a big file. Since people have to have it to play on the server, it would be good to be PC friendly, and have paints in 4096. Just a thought, and new geom is awesome!


(http://i.imgur.com/GcTkxNI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/W4CGlxs.jpg)

well it is may be a little be overkill yea... ^^ but it's fun. the next time i will update this kawi is when some new wheels will be released. until that we will play with this one. The geom is good, the mud layers are may be a little bit too mutch but..^^ it works good and it looks good.

The bike without any paint is with 2048x2048 texture. the skin on the model, the norm and the mud layers are small. But the paints that i will release and the stock kxf paints in the pack are in 4K. if your pc don't handle it just resize them in photoshop it's really nothing. or just delete them. But if i make a 2048 paint, it's really ugly...

PS: i see on your screenshot that your norm isn't good. in your pnt file, just put the kxf.tga and the seat.tga. the right norm is on the model allready.

And... i really like the really dirty bike. let me guys know if you want it less dirty or if you like it like this and i will listen to you for the next version's release. (not for tomorrow. i'm on another project with el paco now :P #90's#kawi's#oldschool#frostyle)

first layer
(https://i.gyazo.com/d586ec3ddad68d0b5678450d3b9c93b4.jpg)

second
(https://i.gyazo.com/8d2a038e3c181cfe3c26f5b6edfc55c6.jpg)

third
(https://i.gyazo.com/23212427a10a9a19899f4de6671335ca.jpg)

There is no norm in the kxf paint? ??? Also, how do i get the mud to work for the seat?

Quote from: NorCal 986 on April 15, 2016, 02:24:50 AM
how do i get the mud to work for the seat?

it doesn't :/

Ahh, I'm also trying to get permission to use P2sta's wheels, which would be an awesome addition to this game.

where i can find the template for work on a skin??

For the PSD, take 70$ with you and try to find Jay to buy it to him. Send an MP here --> http://forum.mxsimulator.com/ (http://forum.mxsimulator.com/)

Quote from: NorCal 986 on April 15, 2016, 02:38:57 AM
Ahh, I'm also trying to get permission to use P2sta's wheels, which would be an awesome addition to this game.

oh yeah that would be great...

Edit Sunday May 29  :) you'll have to redownload them

Thx for the update!

Stop putting my bikes in this game.

*LINKS REMOVED* Requested by the original creator.

Omg not again...did u not ask jay? But also i cant unxerstand what is the problem for jay, i would be happy if others like my work and share it and give credit. What happened with gaming today? Is all about money? Kindergarten...

I've received a contact email through MXBC, not from Jay but apparently from a friend of his, with screenshots of a conversation between them.

On one hand it would have been more clear if Jay himself had contacted us, as I'm not sure what to make of someone else making the move with screenshots (that of course may or may not be real) but on the other Jay himself, or at least someone with a profile name of Jay here has directly requested then to not be used.

Gdub has removed the pages from MXBC and although they haven't been deleted permanently, they are no longer public until we figure out how to proceed.

So, did Jay give permission, yes or no? If yes I suggest you guys try and resolve this outside of the forum, if no as they've been requested for removal they will be deleted permanently.

I was contacted by someone on the Sim forum ages ago that asked to use the bikes in this game... I expressed my displeasure however told him if he really wants to he can but to please do not make a public release as I don't play this game and would prefer not to be chasing up people freely handing around files and reselling them etc..

moral of the story

Keep the KTM and Kawi to yourself and dont release it to the public.

feel free to use the Husky as it was released for free.

Quote from: TheFatController on June 05, 2016, 09:40:49 AM
I've received a contact email through MXBC, not from Jay but apparently from a friend of his, with screenshots of a conversation between them.

I did tell Nick to message you as I dont have accounts or know who to contact for moderation around here.

thanks.

thats to bad, the kawi was realy nice but ok then thank you for the husky

No legal reason to remove the link. The 3D model was provided by a buyer of an OBJ file. He can do whatever he wants. At least credits was given to the author.

You CAN'T be serious Jay wtf is wrong is with you ? FIRST OF ALL i bought those bikes more 100e I HOPE I CAN RIDE THEM EVERYXHERE I WANT !! for the ktm you got to be kidding me. THE TEMPLATE IS IN THE HUSKY TEMPLATE !!!!! What are you doing here Jay ? this game NEED some good quality stuff and you just come here to fucked all up ?? i can't believe it.....
I BUY IT !! WITH MONEY !!!! on this game if the bike is not release you can't play with them !!! so did you put 70e in my ass jay ? did you ??? so I DECIDE if we remove the link or not, i dind't release the template, i didn't release the obj so Gdub put the god damn link back and jay if you're not happy with that...
(http://img.memecdn.com/all-the-fucks-i-give_o_1156077.jpg)
that fucking disguste me how can it be even possible.....

i am DIEG GUEVARA JAY btw...... you have A LOT of my and my friends money in your pocket and i always been honest. WTF is wrong with you right now....?

Quote from: TheFatController on June 05, 2016, 09:40:49 AM
So, did Jay give permission, yes or no? If yes I suggest you guys try and resolve this outside of the forum, if no as they've been requested for removal they will be deleted permanently.

I F***ING BUY IT !!!!! OMG !!!!!! I BOUGHT IT !!!!!! WITH MONEY !!!!! there is no such question.......... i just can't believe it..........

NO LEGAL ISSUES HERE. A person sold a 3D mesh and a .PSD for an amount of money. From there, all that the buyer wants to do with that is FAIR. I will reupload all the files again.

Please don't reupload.. The content is still there just taken off the front end. Webspace is precious.

Quote from: TheFatController on June 05, 2016, 03:33:40 PM
Please don't reupload.. The content is still there just taken off the front end. Webspace is precious.

I didn't mean reupload to MXBC. Don't worry. I won't upload nothing to nowhere.  ;)

let's see what he have to answer.

I'm at a loss for words myself..


1) I agree with the heavy purchase stone made and all the extra measure's he took to bring the bikes over and still please J..he should be able to do as he has done!!
2) why no J play mxb?
3) losing hope
4) loss for words
5) words.words.words
6) finding some words!!
7) coming more clear!!
8) I bet we can make better models with the quality folks we have here! so F'em!
9) but still, stone should get a major refund then and nice reach around.


>:(

For the record. I think it sucks big time that he's not allowing to use in Mxb.

Quote from: gdubmx on June 05, 2016, 05:51:54 PM
For the record. I think it sucks big time that he's not allowing to use in Mxb.

I would imagine Jay will be wanting to make models for here when it does take off and will want to sell his models for mxb if it ever gets to the stage where content is being sold..

Quote from: geofanatec on June 05, 2016, 04:16:02 PM
umm.......I don't know what to do or think! This is really shitty.

For now because I am so aww struck and just can't think correctly and can't use a computer under thesee conditions.

So, the download bikes link in the racing forum (and on gtx site) will remain, as I am so shocked I don't remember how to remove or do anything.

haha

From what I understand, the models were purchased as .obj files and with no terms of use included other than to maybe not distribute the .psd. I get that people want to protect their work, but the fact of the matter is there were no terms or end user agreement. just money exchanged for a model. So other than hurting the creator's feelings... I don't see much wrong with what happened or how he can dictate the use after purchase. And keep in mind that I create digital content and sell it myself, so I may know a thing or two about this. If it comes down to the skins or .psd usage... simply re-unwrap the model and create your own UVmap.

let's make a golden rule..... NEVER SOLD ANY CONTENT FOR MX BIKES EVER. did you know that the new ama pro mxs championship is no longer free ? it's not free to race anymore guys. Money is cancer. if you try to sell something for mx bikes ? you should get banned. that's what i'm saying. it's about passion here. not god damn money.... if you're a 3D modeler who want to live from it, then sell your models on some websites who do that. Here, it's all about share and fun. not god damn money.

Piboso has the tools to control payed content, the bikes have to be added to be of any use in a race, if piboso doesnt want payed content then he can just not add them to the list.

Quote from: rc4187 on June 05, 2016, 06:05:23 PM

Quote from: geofanatec on June 05, 2016, 04:16:02 PM
umm.......I don't know what to do or think! This is really shitty.

For now because I am so aww struck and just can't think correctly and can't use a computer under thesee conditions.

So, the download bikes link in the racing forum (and on gtx site) will remain, as I am so shocked I don't remember how to remove or do anything.

haha

From what I understand, the models were purchased as .obj files and with no terms of use included other than to maybe not distribute the .psd. I get that people want to protect their work, but the fact of the matter is there were no terms or end user agreement. just money exchanged for a model. So other than hurting the creator's feelings... I don't see much wrong with what happened or how he can dictate the use after purchase. And keep in mind that I create digital content and sell it myself, so I may know a thing or two about this. If it comes down to the skins or .psd usage... simply re-unwrap the model and create your own UVmap.

Pff then just make the links aviable again, i dont see any ripping or something here

You have no idea how much I'm holding back about Jay and another money grubbing profiteer from MXS. Total disregard for all the people that broke their backs to make these communities better out of PASSION and LOVE of sharing. I just hope that getting tarred and feathered in public prevents more evil types from gouging people.

Quote from: rc4187 on June 05, 2016, 06:05:23 PM

Quote from: geofanatec on June 05, 2016, 04:16:02 PM
umm.......I don't know what to do or think! This is really shitty.

For now because I am so aww struck and just can't think correctly and can't use a computer under thesee conditions.

So, the download bikes link in the racing forum (and on gtx site) will remain, as I am so shocked I don't remember how to remove or do anything.

haha

From what I understand, the models were purchased as .obj files and with no terms of use included other than to maybe not distribute the .psd. I get that people want to protect their work, but the fact of the matter is there were no terms or end user agreement. just money exchanged for a model. So other than hurting the creator's feelings... I don't see much wrong with what happened or how he can dictate the use after purchase. And keep in mind that I create digital content and sell it myself, so I may know a thing or two about this. If it comes down to the skins or .psd usage... simply re-unwrap the model and create your own UVmap.

THE F***** TRUTH.

For GDUB. I'm appreciate so much the work you are doing here, you don't know how much but, you should know there are any moral or legal discussion about that man. My english is not good but you should read and re-read this RC's reply. It's law. (Not trying to be rude at all)

Gdub did the right thing, I've reached out to Jay but no reply as of yet. Patience people ;)

yeah thank you Geo... And if Gdub and and TFC want to wait for an answer.... well. let's wait...

Yeah I know it sucks and I hate to be that guy but as a representative for mx bikes central I have to do my part until it is resolved. I'm sure the bikes will be available soon though as there is no consolidating proof of a legally binding agreement. I'm on your side guys trust me.
As a Dj for 12 years it would be wrong for me to purchase a track which I could not play I'm public.

So if they creator says he specifically doesn't want his models in the game you shouldn't respect that? You guys are now just as entitled as the mxs community in less than 2 years, congratulations.

Quote from: nickuzick on June 05, 2016, 09:41:55 PM
You guys are now just as entitled as the mxs community in less than 2 years, congratulations.

L.O.L

Quote from: geofanatec on June 05, 2016, 09:45:34 PM
The "answer" was technically already posted, but...............

What's the point? He doesn't want to put on MXB and if he does he wants money $$.

Tells me plenty about the guy. AND he won't respond to PM. Tells me more. Anyone could make name Jay at this point. How do we know it is him?

Even if it is, why be so controlling over a purchased model you made $$ on?

Just to make more?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ all it is about.

The game costs less than the model? Seriously?

I will continue to pay $100+ for my server every month, host the website, and GIVE AWAY my money for prizes :D

With the expectation OF............PARTICIPATION! (even though recently I can't handle it, lmao!!!)

One more time. THANKS. I hope piboso awarded you and all of us fixing the netcode problems for the next series and races.

You edited while I was writting, totally agree with you man. I'm feeling all MXB community is going in the same way.

God damn you are all ignorant fucks. If the purpose of the model was for private team use in MXS then he clearly doesn't want it to get involved in this game. Plain and simple. Also, you clearly don't respect his wish if you'll continue sharing it around like a town hooker.

He charged money to people involved with mxs teams and mxs races no the general public. He did not post it anywhere that just anyone can buy it and use it how they wish.

Nick, its simple. Can "Jay" show us the official binding agreement in which he stated the models must not be used outside of private team use in Mx Simulator?
Also, what exactly is "Jay's" issue with this game having his models in? I think they are great models and see it as advertising for him. I really cant see what the big problem with MXB having them?  :o :o
And there really is no need for name calling is there?

Nick, tell Jay to call my lawyer.

Quote from: geofanatec on June 05, 2016, 10:06:06 PM
So your saying unless your a "pro" on MXS you don't get access to this model?

Only the "pro's"?

An amateur can't get this?

EDIT: MY GOD! PLEASE DON'T LET MXB GET LIKE THIS! Heaven forbid we pay money and distribute for FREE

There are amateur teams that use the model. The point is that it was only sold to people in mxs.
Would also like to add that he spend hundreds and hundreds of hours creating it. He is selling it because he thought he would have control over where it goes (MXS Exclusive).

Quote from: gdubmx on June 05, 2016, 10:06:48 PM
Nick, its simple. Can "Jay" show us the official binding agreement in which he stated the models must not be used outside of private team use in Mx Simulator?
Also, what exactly is "Jay's" issue with this game having his models in? I think they are great models and see it as advertising for him. I really cant see what the big problem with MXB having them?  :o :o
And there really is no need for name calling is there?

I suppose the name calling was immature so I apologize. Jay really doesn't need advertising. Especially if he created another model it would get shared for free. The "advertising" is only good if it wasn't going to be shared around but instead everyone will have it for free.

Quote from: geofanatec on June 05, 2016, 10:11:39 PM
Hang on, what "team" do you know of that needs EVERY bike model?

New, high quality models come out maybe 2 or three times in a year (KXF being one in 2016)so a lot of teams purchase more than one and switch between them for supercross and nationals.

Quick, license the RMZ and sell it! Then, ask people to take it down!

I repeat. A person made a model. A person sold hundreds of obj files of his model. A person wanted to be a company making money of his work. Companies pays lawyers and pays their taxes. A person didn't pay any taxes about that undercover money and a didn't make any kind of contract or agreement.

What does he wants?

Tell Jay to enjoy the money.

Quote from: nickuzick on June 05, 2016, 10:14:23 PM
The point is that it was only sold to people in mxs.

This is not mentioned anywhere. And for me, if you want to release content for one game, you release games files like .JM in MXS or .EDF in Mx Bikes. But you don't release a model. Also, i wouldn't buy .JM or .EDF for 70$. I bought a model, i do what the hell i want with it. And now, i want to play in MBX with it. That's it. I don't know what are you doing still here.

The cat is already out of the bag, and a lot of people have downloaded
the bikes so what to do next? Ask everyone to stop using the bikes at home.
If it was made clear that the Bike Models were only for MXS then all links should
be removed and end of story. But making a fuss after the fact that you got paid for
the models is a real weak move and you pretty much have no right to do so because
you took the money and I'm sure the buyer didn't tell him where or how he could
spend said money.

Jay hasn't started a company. He is selling them as himself and not under a fancy banner. He does pay taxes on each sale he makes so don't think he's doing shady shit.

Still waiting to hear back from Jay...

Jay said "fuck it". He realizes none of you will change your minds.

Quote from: geofanatec on June 05, 2016, 10:33:43 PM

Quote from: nickuzick on June 05, 2016, 10:31:47 PM
Jay hasn't started a company. He is selling them as himself and not under a fancy banner. He does pay taxes on each sale he makes so don't think he's doing shady shit.

seriously! NO WAY he is paying taxes on this!

So don't say he is doing something he isn't.

I would LOVE to see his general ledger if that is true.

Contact Jay on the mxs forum, he MIGHT reply there. That's a very hasty accusation there guy, are you sure you want to go there?

Contact him on the mxs forum, I don't have access to anything personal of his.

Quote from: nickuzick on June 05, 2016, 10:40:02 PM
Jay said "fuck it". He realizes none of you will change your minds.

Contact Jay on the mxs forum, he MIGHT reply there. That's a very hasty accusation there guy, are you sure you want to go there?

So.. what are you doing here ?? i did send a message on Mxs Forum. Still no answer.

I didn't say anything about legality. Just a lack of respect to the creators wishes. I'll continue to play mxb on and off in the meantime.

I still play MXS at a professional level. I just enjoy the different feel every now and again. You really can't say one is better than the other because they are very different (play and coding wise) but I do want to see where this goes. Please be careful with the free content though. The problem that started in MXS was that there was so much free content the creators were getting taken for granted and became unmotivated. Basically just pace yourselves because I guarantee somethings going to happen and the content will no longer become free.

The mxb model system don't allowed an inifity of bikes. Each bikes have his own Dyno and Geometry and they have to be download on a server to play with online. Also, some of us have the mxs experience and won't let that happen.

If you get people that are new, and been previously involved with mxs it'll happen.

just Close this thread, its so supid.

Some persons wrote about written terms of use and end user agreements. While these are very important for serious issues, at this level ( mods for for a motocross simulator ) it's probably better to step down a little, and respect what the model creator thinks is fair use, and what is not.
Of course this issue will be something to consider when deciding to purchase more models in the future.

In general paid mods are not evil per-se. They can be useful to attract good artists and give more choice of mods. However, donations would probably work much better ( maybe Patreon? ).

+1 on the donations over paid. The community has backed that opinion since the first talk of paid for content.

Download pages restored.

(http://i.imgur.com/ByQSoLU.gif)

Thank you guys

Happy days!  Thanks again Stone for the import work mate.

Some interesting things here, nickuzick could you ask Jay to fix mudlayers please ? Because StoneRider bought the without those layers and got pain to do something beautiful.
Thank you, and ho please bring us coffee with 1,25 sugar.

NOEDIT : Daaamn I paid Glen Helen 2016 on MXS and I can't use it in my second home as it's locked by IP address, this game becomes such a scam, creators selling OBJ with a never seen licence, big brothered tracks, daaamn...  8)

Yawn ... I'm glad in GPB we've not yet reached that point (and hopefully never will).

My suggested course of actions for whoever paid for the model: you bought a 3d model. Unless there's an explicit limitation on its usage, you're free to do what you want with it (except maybe reselling as is). Now, even if you're legally entitled to do so, if the creator insists on you not putting the model in MXB, then ask for your money back: if he agrees, destroy all the models, end of the story. You walk out of this as a gentlemen and the creator as a greedy chap. If no money back, keep everything up.

@Piboso: pretty please, never ever put any protection mechanism in your sims' modded content. It's the only way to keep sharks at bay (i.e. at MXS :) ). I don't care if it will keep some "talented" modders away from MXB. I've seen amateur modders becoming as good as pros, so ...

+1 MaX :)

+2 MaX 😁

Quote from: PizzaChet on June 05, 2016, 07:37:23 PM
You have no idea how much I'm holding back about Jay and another money grubbing profiteer from MXS. Total disregard for all the people that broke their backs to make these communities better out of PASSION and LOVE of sharing. I just hope that getting tarred and feathered in public prevents more evil types from gouging people.

(http://pa1.narvii.com/5682/00a218fa8eab17be37d24edb39fb045d9400daf4_hq.gif)
Go for it bro, lets see what you got...   ::)

I have worked for Nordic games and I am currently contracted for other 3d graphic art work- So why should I not charge a mere 2.5% of what I make of the same model at a professional level... I also, like every other job I have- pay tax... because that is what happens when money enters your bank account with the tag income. (to the guy who wants some tax docs from me... dude its called an accountant I honestly just sign the papers and smile... No you will never see those papers I think they are personal/confidential whatever but they probably don't concern you tbh.)

I also will not peruse any legal action as I (Like all of you talking about legal rights) have never studied law and don't have the 1st clue about the rights of this bike model...- Anyone raising concern for legal rights should re access what they would consider getting a lawyer for as a private video game model probably doesnt need a lawyer.. just my 2 cents.

Guy who asked me to fix mud layers... This model was never intended for this game and this is the main reason I dont want to to be used- because things like this make the bike look less than its full potential therefor marking my own works reputation based on the faulty and bodged import Job this guy has done.

I also Had no idea this guy had even bought the bike... as "Stone Rider" does not come up anywhere on any invoices .. however If the guy had used his product licence key like it was stated that he should when releasing Team content only--- Yes I believe there was a claws in there that this content was for Team purposes only not to be publicly released in this fashion (the proof is in this- Try find a similar release on this bike on the MXS forums... the one this bike was intended for...) However wrong use of my files aside if he had of used his licence key at least I would have known he bought it and tbh I would have probably just left it at "fuck I wish that guy didnt do that the model looks like ass"

Im trying to answer as many of you as possible so bear with me here...

He then Pm'd me on the MXS forum with 3 very angry threatening messages (Using the account he bought the bike with which again if he just showed some proof he actually bought the bike I would have not pursued it further) in which he threatened to in spite release my entire bike files etc- Now I really cant stop you nor will I persue any action if you do however I will never sell another blend file .. only the PSD and JM files as the models will now no longer reach this game ( This is not through me disliking this game but merely as a puppet behind the PC decided to flex his muscles so Im quite happy to cut off the flow of model files as it wont effect me) I would still like to see the reciept for the KTM though as Im not sure if he purchased that one.

Quote from: StoneRider on June 05, 2016, 01:55:50 PM
You CAN'T be serious Jay wtf is wrong is with you ?blah blah blah blah

Again this would be fixed if you included your licence key so I actually knew you bought them. Also if by allot you mean a few hundred- please re access your view of allot of money.

Now to everyone saying this community can make better models...... If you think so, go on, do it--- stop taking it from MXS if your all so elitist.

I currently have no desire to come here and model because I dont play video games- I make stuff for my friends on MXS and collect some coin as I go.

Is Chris K the DDavis of this community... he sure sounds like it.

Quote from: geofanatec on June 05, 2016, 09:45:34 PM

In answer to you
You wouldn't know the first thing about me let alone plenty and Darn right I want money from random people to use my stuff- what makes you think I care about you enough to give you my hard work for free... I have already plenty of free creations.

Im controlling so the model doesn't look like trash due to a shitty conversion job. not just because im a dick.

"even though you cant handle it" That makes you an idiot. The suck asses that want everything for nothing will say otherwise but wise people will say you are silly.

Don't respect charging money ey? When you buy your groceries please spit on the register lady and say how disgusting it is money seems to flow from your pocket.

MXS cant respect you are using their stuff just until you apparently get better stuff whilst you take the piss out of MXS yeah If I was this MXS I would be mad too...

Why re invent the wheel when you can just grab someone else wheel thats way better right, I like this guy.
btw you could apply this logic to this entire game thus making it stupid right>? why make MX Bikes when Sim existed??? hopefully you get my point but you are a silly boy so you likely wont.

"F!@# MXS" ey? you mean the game in which you are taking all your decent content from currently and with this attitude you expect us over at MXS inc to be pleased with such act???

Pacopaster- Tell Nick to Tell me not to bother

Geofanatec..... 1v1 me IRL you seem to have many an issue with me young sir- we shall settle this like men.

End Statement
This bike was made for private use by Teams in the Pro MXS SX and National series it was never advertised publicly for that reason and everyone who bought the bike was made aware that there shall be no public release - hence you will not find one over at MXS. 

It is not because I am selfish that I do not want it in this game but more so that If it was to be put in this game I would have likes it to be done properly and by myself ie to not look like ish.
So this bike nor the KTM have my consent to be in this game nor do any of my future bikes- and you will no longer see a blend file from myself however feel free to use the Husky as it was free and im happy to see you all getting use from it.

My take on this whole issue - either respect what I have said I want done with my content or don't - I have no intention to chase people with lawyers over such small issues however would still strongly preffer the bikes are removed from this game.

thank you,

Ps people who pm'd me either here or MXS and are waiting for a reply I just got home from work so I will work through now however I feel like this will provide a sufficient reply.
Jay.

I guess the part I find confusing, unreasonable etc.. Is that the object was sold as a 3d model (blender, max w/e)..

If you're going to sell a 3d model, you sell it with the full intention or at least expectation of it being used outside of one specific thing.

I think people are used to buying a 3d model from somewhere like turbosquid, and even the ones with the strictest usage rights, those rights only apply to making money from the model.

I understand you might be unhappy about the way some people have behaved over this but that aside, someone bought a 3d model to use as part of a free mod, which is a VERY common practice.

Yeah absolutely,

the bike was released as a blend file rigged for use in MXS - not as an obj, 3ds or anything else purely there with MXS pivots ready for people to make edits for sim as intended but as I said I will no longer sell the .blend. 

Physical threats apart, jay's explanation sounds half-reasonable.
I'm saying half because I still don't understand why if sold for (private) use only in MXS, people are in possession of source 3d model files: as pointed out by ThefatController, if you sell a 3d model ...

Misunderstanding on the allowed usage of the bike model, fine. Settle the "I've paid for it argument" and we're all back to peace and love.

Quote from: Niko Mouk on June 06, 2016, 07:52:31 AM
NOEDIT : Daaamn I paid Glen Helen 2016 on MXS and I can't use it in my second home as it's locked by IP address

(https://media.giphy.com/media/fMUPzLvDsEUGk/giphy.gif)

who is DDavis?

Probably an MXS forum "Hall of Fame"-er :)

is that  an insult or a compliment?

Let's say I'd be surprised if the intention was to congratulate you :)

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I think that discussion is over again.

I've read this topic for the past day or so and I hope we can soon put this behind us.
I think this is a really bad look for MXB and MXS. We are better than this and
it's a real shame that some of us can not respect the wishes of another Modder.
For me it seems clear that Jay is unhappy how things went down and he has that
right as the modded bikes are his, the unclear parts should be between two people.
I really hope we (MXB & MXS) modders and skinners can come to an understanding
and someday work together. We all have a great deal of passion for the sport and
our respective communities so please lets try and handle things in a more adult fashion.

P.S. Can't we all just get along?  ::)

Quote from: Docfumi on June 06, 2016, 01:59:31 PM
I've read this topic for the past day or so and I hope we can soon put this behind us.
I think this is a really bad look for MXB and MXS. We are better than this and
it's a real shame that some of us can not respect the wishes of another Modder.
For me it seems clear that Jay is unhappy how things went down and he has that
right as the modded bikes are his, the unclear parts should be between two people.
I really hope we (MXB & MXS) modders and skinners can come to an understanding
and someday work together. We all have a great deal of passion for the sport and
our respective communities so please lets try and handle things in a more adult fashion.

P.S. Can't we all just get along?  ::)

If I would pay 100€ for a model. I would do anything that I wanted to do. Or at least if  I would sell one of my models(I would like my models look like jays model) I would make an easy contract agreement.

We are talking  about hundreds of dollars of benefit.

I sold so much  Instrumentals time ago(I've been an electronic music producer for more than 10 years) and I never have some kind of problem because I always take care about the files that I transferred to the people. And what kind of purchase. Leasing, full rights, just a wav file or separated track...etc. If Jay didn't want to the bike out of mxs, man, don't send a blend source file.

I can't imagine sending my Ableton projects to anyone.

i dont heed his bikes, beacause i have the rmz now :D but its unfair to stonerider and the other helpers.

stone should say what they want to do now. its his model, he buy it he put much work in it.

if jay have just a Problem with the Quality of the imported model. remove the credit

Jay made his point. Us too. That's it. There is also ways to come and see ppl to ask if they can removed a link and this

Quote from: Jay on June 05, 2016, 06:38:32 AM
Stop putting my bikes in this game.

is not a way to do it. At least, after that, i don't want to be a gentle guy with a big open mind and a tottally objective view of the situation. No, after a comment like this i just want to say a big F*** you. But Jay made his point after. Now, if i would like to bike a mxs bike, i NEVER buy it over than 20$. Here once a again.... i bought a 3D god damn model. THAT's IT.

Now, i think that we should keep the bike and close this topic. When i see Jay i see a big baby making caprices. I see a guy who is here to sell model on a game he don't even play. But i'm really tired of all this shit right now so.... do whatever you want to do. Just, i beg all of you... don't let mxb become mxs. fter a comment like this i just wa

Quote from: StoneRider on June 06, 2016, 05:13:37 PM
Jay made his point. Us too. That's it. There is also ways to come and see ppl to ask if they can removed a link and this

Quote from: Jay on June 05, 2016, 06:38:32 AM
Stop putting my bikes in this game.

is not a way to do it. At least, after that, i don't want to be a gentle guy with a big open mind and a tottally objective view of the situation. No, after a comment like this i just want to say a big F*** you. But Jay made his point after. Now, if i would like to bike a mxs bike, i NEVER buy it over than 20$. Here once a again.... i bought a 3D god damn model. THAT's IT.

Now, i think that we should keep the bike and close this topic. When i see Jay i see a big baby making caprices. I see a guy who is here to sell model on a game he don't even play. But i'm really tired of all this shit right now so.... do whatever you want to do. Just, i beg all of you... don't let mxb become mxs.

I do think we need to clarify where we stand, and that's really between Jay and Stone.

So far, Jay's friend has come on and said something like "Jay can see no one here is going to change their minds so he says f*** it let them have the bikes"..

I then added them back for download.

Jay's since then come on and seems to have said no although I'm starting to get lost.

So what is it?

I respect the creators wishes and will remove the kxf and sxf from my collection. Thank you Jay for the models as they were very well made and were so cool to ride. Hopefully one day you'll make some for this game. Sorry for the way all this happened, if I had any idea this was such a big issue I would never of downloaded them.

Stone, sorry you had to go through this and thank you for importing the models.

I will delete my kxf and sxfs now and move on. We all know I'm an outdated last gen Suzuki guy  anyway :)

Hate MXS and it's creators... yet everyone is so persistent import the content from there, and act as if they did so much work. Find that kind of funny.

Anyways, those who think it's a right to distribute another creators content just because they purchased it is sadly mistaken and has no knowledge as far as a creators rights to their content. A creator can release content free and that STILL doesn't mean you can do as you please with it if it's filed under the correct creative commons license.

If you have bought the model and put in a different game for yourself, by all means no one says you can't, but it gets really muddy when you then take the model you purchased and then freely distribute that model in a different game. That is a form of pirating. If I buy photoshop and develop a crack and then upload it to piratebay for all, that is a legal offense and is wrong.

"I paid x amount for y digital product I'm gonna do what I want" is a terrible outlook. Like I said, you can do what you want with your purchase within bounds legally and morally, if you want to take your purchase and but into a different game for yourself than by all means go ahead. Why do you think Piboso and JLV (mxs dev.) do not want imported content from games such as MVA and MXGP being released publicly? Because it's legal vulnerability. Point, just because you bought the game does not give you the right to distribute.

Plain and simple, if you want to avoid all this and the mxs community mentality, it's best someone around here starts to make 100% new content. It's the only way to avoid problems, good luck.

Although I will commend a majority of you, I can see the discussions around here are a bit more mature and controlled then MXS. That is nice.

Quote from: m121c on June 06, 2016, 06:58:23 PM
Hate MXS and it's creators... yet everyone is so persistent import the content from there, and act as if they did so much work. Find that kind of funny.

Anyways, those who think it's a right to distribute another creators content just because they purchased it is sadly mistaken and has no knowledge as far as a creators rights to their content. A creator can release content free and that STILL doesn't mean you can do as you please with it if it's filed under the correct creative commons license.

If you have bought the model and put in a different game for yourself, by all means no one says you can't, but it gets really muddy when you then take the model you purchased and then freely distribute that model in a different game. That is a form of pirating. If I buy photoshop and develop a crack and then upload it to piratebay for all, that is a legal offense and is wrong.

"I paid x amount for y digital product I'm gonna do what I want" is a terrible outlook. Like I said, you can do what you want with your purchase within bounds legally and morally, if you want to take your purchase and but into a different game for yourself than by all means go ahead. Why do you think Piboso and JLV (mxs dev.) do not want imported content from games such as MVA and MXGP being released publicly? Because it's legal vulnerability. Point, just because you bought the game does not give you the right to distribute.

Plain and simple, if you want to avoid all this and the mxs community mentality, it's best someone around here starts to make 100% new content. It's the only way to avoid problems, good luck.

Although I will commend a majority of you, I can see the discussions around here are a bit more mature and controlled then MXS. That is nice.

Nonetheless it's not an official licensed product. It's more like selling drugs on a corner than selling an app in AppStore. You can't compare apples and oranges. MVA and MXGP are licensed games.

Do you think that in GPBIKES(piboso's game) are not MOTOGP licensed bikes? Have you seen MotoGP Manu's mod? THE WHOLE BIKESET MAN. I'm not saying if it is fair or unfair. I only said, don't tell us distorted information.

I didn't keep on MXGP conversion because of GDUB and TFC. I respect so much his work and I decide spent 10210512512 hours trying to make my own models in order to keep MXBC clear of copyrighted files. I preferred follow the instructions of the MXBC owner.

I repeat once again. STONERIDER BOUGHT A BLEND FILE, .JM FILES FOR MXSIMULATOR and  PSD. It's SELLER work to protect his work and his money.

It's more like buying a hand drawn sketch from someone, photocopying it and giving the photocopies out for free.

The facts are that there is no legal ground, just moral.

It's just a misunderstanding on what has been sold: Stone though he had bought a 3d model, Jay though he had sold the right to use the 3d model in MXS (and only in MXS).

Everything else is poor manners in discussing the issue, from both sides.

Guys (Jay, Stone), find an agreement and let's settle this.

After that we can lock this topic and make it sticky in this forum, just to remind that paid-for modded content is always going to be a PITA.

Quote from: m121c on June 06, 2016, 06:58:23 PM
Anyways, those who think it's a right to distribute another creators content just because they purchased it is sadly mistaken and has no knowledge as far as a creators rights to their content. A creator can release content free and that STILL doesn't mean you can do as you please with it if it's filed under the correct creative commons license.

If you have bought the model and put in a different game for yourself, by all means no one says you can't, but it gets really muddy when you then take the model you purchased and then freely distribute that model in a different game. That is a form of pirating. If I buy photoshop and develop a crack and then upload it to piratebay for all, that is a legal offense and is wrong.

"I paid x amount for y digital product I'm gonna do what I want" is a terrible outlook. Like I said, you can do what you want with your purchase within bounds legally and morally, if you want to take your purchase and but into a different game for yourself than by all means go ahead. Why do you think Piboso and JLV (mxs dev.) do not want imported content from games such as MVA and MXGP being released publicly? Because it's legal vulnerability. Point, just because you bought the game does not give you the right to distribute.

Plain and simple, if you want to avoid all this and the mxs community mentality, it's best someone around here starts to make 100% new content. It's the only way to avoid problems, good luck.

Although I will commend a majority of you, I can see the discussions around here are a bit more mature and controlled then MXS. That is nice.

I'm kind of curios to know if Jay asked the bike makers (Kawa, KTM) permission to model their bikes and sell the result for profit. Because you see, here too there's a grey area concerning property of content ...

Quote from: HornetMaX on June 06, 2016, 08:20:30 PM
I'm kind of curios to know if Jay asked the bike makers (Kawa, KTM) permission to model their bikes and sell the result for profit. Because you see, here too there's a grey area concerning property of content ...

+1

Good luck getting them to admit if it's illegal. Of course there'd be a double standard. It's a line that has been crossed by the modders that basically was an invisible moral line about charging for modded content. Previous creators spent countless hours above and beyond the "100's of hours" spent making content regardless of it's perceived quality for free. I think this is indicative of the new attitudes in gaming. Every kid is a "pro".

You are right, it is a grey area. You are opening a can of worms full of confusing issues and technicalities. It's not as black and white as in "He is selling a KTM model replica that's illegal". There are many ways around the controversial issue, and for the most part that is why companies barely even bother with it. As well as the legal hassle, for a market so small it's not worth their time. We could honestly debate for days on whether or not it's legal but it will not get anywhere, it will still be the same can of worms.

There is no grey area with illegally distributing digital content though, you are either guilty or you are not. No way amount of tricks or wording can be done there.

Quote from: HornetMaX on June 06, 2016, 08:20:30 PM
It's just a misunderstanding on what has been sold: Stone though he had bought a 3d model, Jay though he had sold the right to use the 3d model in MXS (and only in MXS).

You couldn't be more wrong with that. It's not that he thought he was selling the right to MXS only model. The problem here is Stone bought the bike and imported into MXB not for HIS sake but to share with the MXB community. He is distributing it to all of you, a paid model, that none of you bought. In my eyes that is the issue.

I get Jay's personal feelings on wishing the model was not in a game engine it was not intended for, but he knows just as well as I do you have no control over that.

Quote from: m121c on June 06, 2016, 10:51:15 PM
You are right, it is a grey area. You are opening a can of worms full of confusing issues and technicalities. It's not as black and white as in "He is selling a KTM model replica that's illegal". There are many ways around the controversial issue, and for the most part that is why companies barely even bother with it. As well as the legal hassle, for a market so small it's not worth their time. We could honestly debate for days on whether or not it's legal but it will not get anywhere, it will still be the same can of worms.

There is no grey area with illegally distributing digital content though, you are either guilty or you are not. No way amount of tricks or wording can be done there.

I'm sorry, but it's a bit of a double standard, as expected.
A creator (like Jay) can skip royalties (to KTM) because KTM won't bother while Stone should do as told because it's morally right to do so ?
Err ... I hope you can see the problem there.

Quote from: m121c on June 06, 2016, 10:51:15 PM

Quote from: HornetMaX on June 06, 2016, 08:20:30 PM
It's just a misunderstanding on what has been sold: Stone though he had bought a 3d model, Jay though he had sold the right to use the 3d model in MXS (and only in MXS).

You couldn't be more wrong with that. It's not that he thought he was selling the right to MXS only model. The problem here is Stone bought the bike and imported into MXB not for HIS sake but to share with the MXB community. He is distributing it to all of you, a paid model, that none of you bought. In my eyes that is the issue.

I don't think Jay put it this way: he mostly seemed concerned that his model poorly imported in MXB would tarnish his reputation. Which by the way is a bit of a weak argument as: if it were the only issue, we could just call the model "Stone's" model without mentioning Jay, so Jay's rep would be unaffected.

But let's say you're right, the issue is what you said above: do you mean Jay sold for 70$ (or whatever) a model to a guy with the restriction the guy could only use it privately ?!  :o
So if the MXB community wanted to buy the model from Jay, the price would be what ? 70$ times what ? x10 ? x100 ? x1000 ?
Because if that's the case, I don't think I can swallow Jay's statement "I make stuff for my friends on MXS and collect some coin as I go".

70$ is already almost more than MXS and MXB together ! Piboso and JLV (I'm not sure about him but I'm sure about Piboso) do not touch a cent of that money: how fair is that ?

Now that I think about that, if I were Piboso or JLV I'd force modders charging for content to pay royalties to MXB/MXS.
At least some money will somehow go back to the community and modders that are only driven by profit (not implying it's Jay's case) will steer clear.

But my position stays: if Jay wants his bike not to be in MXB, then let be it. His model, his call.
If he's not wiling to give Stone his money back, then let be it. Nobody will ever go legal about that.

But I'm sure that with the limited number of MXB users we have at the moment we'll have no issues at all in finding a few chaps (me first) that can chip 5-10$ in to cover Stone's 70$ loss, just to make him forget this whole story.

Looks to be lessons learned for everyone..

I'll enjoy the new RMZ until I can think clearly again.

Is it possible to destroy this thread, I would be honored to hit the self destruct button! 🤔

Oh and btw, I'll throw a few bucks here and there at stone for sure, just did for vortex..wish everyone would put up donate tabs anyway. Just let us know stone, as soon as we don't use Jay's model we can fund the StoneRiderFund2016

We should keep the thread, as a lesson.

I didn't learn any lesson. We didn't steal any bike from nobodys backyard. We are a bunch of people spending our time playing that game and trying to having fun. I'm about 30 years old, and I don't care about a person crying because 30 people are playing with his toybike. It is not an adult discussing, no legal issues, no copyright infringement.

What's wrong with you guys? In Gpbikes community, Nobody cares about that things. People only care about having fun and races. A guy made a MotoGP 2016 Mod and who ask about the models? Nobody. The people just ride them and gives feedback about the work in order to improve it and keep on enjoying it.

EDIT:
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Quote from: pacopastor34 on June 07, 2016, 12:10:38 AM
I didn't learn any lesson.

The lesson is: if you're going to buy a 3d model or whatever from its creator, before purchasing try to be absolutely sure that the intended usage of the model is OK to the creator.
If there's any doubt, don't assume anything and don't buy until all is crystal clear.

In GPB nobody has ever paid for content (content being mods or raw 3d models or whatever). So yeah, hard to have a similar problem :)

I referred to take any bike from another place(Game, purchase...)It's only a modder problem. It doesn't affect piboso. At least if you don't say where you took the models. I don't give a damn Jay. If I were the "buyer" the bike would be as downloadable right now.

Well... I do have a generic KX-looking (not replica) model that I made. I just never released it because everyone had a 2016 replica and I figured there was no point. But if you all would like me to release it... it is my own making and there would be no issues of any sort using it. Like I said... I just figured everyone would rather have a replica. I know GDub enjoys using it.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57183019/mxbikes/kx250.png)

I was wondering when you planned to release it...for me, why not? I would enjoy make a couple skins for it.

Yeah... I just ended up deciding not to. But if we need to fill a bike void...

keeping it out is totally fine by me  :)

Yeah man the rc250 n 450 ride awesome. No disrespect to anyone but imo rc's physics tweaks are the best.

Quote from: geofanatec on June 07, 2016, 03:38:34 AM
Well.......I didn't say that to distract you from releasing the bike though ;)

Be crazy to put all that work in and NOT release it!

So ya, we still want your bike :)

(hope I am speaking for everyone there)

RC....what are you waiting? we want RC250 and 450!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And geo +1 for keep the link being the last man standing in the bikegate! Our Willian Wallace.

(https://coedmagazine.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/william-wallace-braveheart.jpg)

OK after a long reflection, trying to put myself in everybody's shoes and try to understand the situation from everybody's point of view.

Firt of all, i want to thank all of you for your support and for stand behind me all long. i don't want money from any of you... i don't care about money. i really, really appriciate it and that's prove that the mxb community is the best i ever seen so far. OK, it's kind of new... but i'll fight to keep it that way for sure. I never saw that much respect in a community. That's why i want to apologie for my first comments.... Lot of fck and shit and... It's pretty hard to explain myself in another language...  swearing is the easy solution. I'm not that kind of person.

I can't believe how Jay and m121c just makes some "rules" to justify what are they doing. Just for you to know, m121c made a honda (one of the best model i ever seen)
He's selling it 100$. ONLY JM AND PSD. 100$ without a model. Yeah you hear me well.

i'm not going to listen a bunch of hustlers who are just killing there own game. (what am i saying ? they don't even play it...!)

I've been throught different state. First, hanger obviously. i was close to release all this shit all over the internet to give Jay a good reason to cry. But i'm not a dick. He is.
After that i was just sad to see how they can justify themself this way with some shitty argument and it drive's me crazy to see how they feel superior about them self. they are not afraid of anything that's just crazy.

Quote from: Jay on June 06, 2016, 11:56:44 AM
Also if by allot you mean a few hundred- please re access your view of allot of money

What kind of fuck can even say something like this. Do you vote Trump...?

Anyway, i made my descision. the link will remain. On MXBC or not, the bike will be accepted on servers or not, but it will for sure remain and be disponible and updated for MXB riders.

Once again thank all of you guys. But i'm gonna stop importing bikes for now. We have enought ^^ I'm just gonna make some gears and tracks...

Enjoy the kawi

Owh ! and yea, we still want your bike RC :D

Quote from: StoneRider on June 07, 2016, 04:05:20 PM
I can't believe how Jay and m121c just makes some "rules" to justify what are they doing. Just for you to know, m121c made a honda (one of the best model i ever seen)
He's selling it 100$. ONLY JM AND PSD. 100$ without a model. Yeah you hear me well.

Quote from: Jay on June 06, 2016, 11:56:44 AM
Also if by allot you mean a few hundred- please re access your view of allot of money

What kind of fuck can even say something like this. Do you vote Trump...?

Jay's an Aussie or Kiwi, so he can't vote. He also boasted that he's made almost $20,000 from MXS model sales. m121c did bring up Trump protesters whilst trying to defend selling a model. So there ya go.

Quote from: StoneRider on June 07, 2016, 04:05:20 PM
OK after a long reflection, trying to put myself in everybody's shoes and try to understand the situation from everybody's point of view.

Firt of all, i want to thank all of you for your support and for stand behind me all long. i don't want money from any of you... i don't care about money. i really, really appriciate it and that's prove that the mxb community is the best i ever seen so far. OK, it's kind of new... but i'll fight to keep it that way for sure. I never saw that much respect in a community. That's why i want to apologie for my first comments.... Lot of fck and shit and... It's pretty hard to explain myself in another language...  swearing is the easy solution. I'm not that kind of person.

I can't believe how Jay and m121c just makes some "rules" to justify what are they doing. Just for you to know, m121c made a honda (one of the best model i ever seen)
He's selling it 100$. ONLY JM AND PSD. 100$ without a model. Yeah you hear me well.

i'm not going to listen a bunch of hustlers who are just killing there own game. (what am i saying ? they don't even play it...!)

I've been throught different state. First, hanger obviously. i was close to release all this shit all over the internet to give Jay a good reason to cry. But i'm not a dick. He is.
After that i was just sad to see how they can justify themself this way with some shitty argument and it drive's me crazy to see how they feel superior about them self. they are not afraid of anything that's just crazy.

Quote from: Jay on June 06, 2016, 11:56:44 AM
Also if by allot you mean a few hundred- please re access your view of allot of money

What kind of fuck can even say something like this. Do you vote Trump...?

Anyway, i made my descision. the link will remain. On MXBC or not, the bike will be accepted on servers or not, but it will for sure remain and be disponible and updated for MXB riders.

Once again thank all of you guys. But i'm gonna stop importing bikes for now. We have enought ^^ I'm just gonna make some gears and tracks...

Enjoy the kawi

Nice to read that. I've been struggling for that and I expected that reply. Those hustlers can't win.

Quote from: HornetMaX on June 06, 2016, 08:20:30 PM
I'm kind of curios to know if Jay asked the bike makers (Kawa, KTM) permission to model their bikes and sell the result for profit. Because you see, here too there's a grey area concerning property of content ...

8)

Quote from: StoneRider on June 07, 2016, 04:05:20 PMI'm just gonna make some (...) tracks...

You don't know how to make tracks  ;D  :-*

Quote from: StoneRider on June 07, 2016, 04:05:20 PM
OK after a long reflection, trying to put myself in everybody's shoes and try to understand the situation from everybody's point of view.

Firt of all, i want to thank all of you for your support and for stand behind me all long. i don't want money from any of you... i don't care about money. i really, really appriciate it and that's prove that the mxb community is the best i ever seen so far. OK, it's kind of new... but i'll fight to keep it that way for sure. I never saw that much respect in a community. That's why i want to apologie for my first comments.... Lot of fck and shit and... It's pretty hard to explain myself in another language...  swearing is the easy solution. I'm not that kind of person.

I can't believe how Jay and m121c just makes some "rules" to justify what are they doing. Just for you to know, m121c made a honda (one of the best model i ever seen)
He's selling it 100$. ONLY JM AND PSD. 100$ without a model. Yeah you hear me well.

i'm not going to listen a bunch of hustlers who are just killing there own game. (what am i saying ? they don't even play it...!)

I've been throught different state. First, hanger obviously. i was close to release all this shit all over the internet to give Jay a good reason to cry. But i'm not a dick. He is.
After that i was just sad to see how they can justify themself this way with some shitty argument and it drive's me crazy to see how they feel superior about them self. they are not afraid of anything that's just crazy.

Quote from: Jay on June 06, 2016, 11:56:44 AM
Also if by allot you mean a few hundred- please re access your view of allot of money

What kind of fuck can even say something like this. Do you vote Trump...?

Anyway, i made my descision. the link will remain. On MXBC or not, the bike will be accepted on servers or not, but it will for sure remain and be disponible and updated for MXB riders.

Once again thank all of you guys. But i'm gonna stop importing bikes for now. We have enought ^^ I'm just gonna make some gears and tracks...

Enjoy the kawi

Don't bring U.S. politics into anything if you don't live here... you get your information most likely from our media and what you see on facebook... if you actually lived here you would know basing any type of bias based off of those sources is the most ridiculous thing you can do. I won't publicly announce who I support because it's not anyone's business but my own. Not sure why this election is such a big deal to people who don't live here.. not to mention the "split" it has caused. Apparently it's a question of intelligence if you support another candidate not that same as another individual? Alright enough politics, this will go no where.

Moving on, I'm defending an artists work. There is no written moral statement saying it's wrong for someone to sell their hard work. However, in my eyes, you are a completely wrong if you find it okay to takes someones hard work and pass it along to an entire community when it's not their wishes, not to mention it's a clear form of pirating. How you don't see that being wrong... I have no clue.

You all are hell bent to be better than the MXS community but you half ass drag all of that communities content over here. I've been apart of this forum for awhile, just hardly jump into conversation.. and I can already tell the mentality is the same as the community over at MXS. Good luck!

Quote from: Niko Mouk on June 07, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
You don't know how to make tracks  ;D  :-*

i'm learning ! where are yours hu ?? :P

M121c,  please elaborate on "drag all of that communities content"

There has been zero content "dragged" since this games inception until recently, which 1 or 2 guys from MXS join this forum and start to import mxgp heightmaps and 8 bikes. 

The people who have been here from the start and just created content haven't dragged anything.  You should contact those persons directly about your issue instead of just throwing out blanket accusations and generalising.

As for the mentality, I'm yet to find anyone on this forum that carries the such self importance attitude that most of you seem to have.  It seems so far the ones that have shown up here seem to think they are an elite pro of everything and that everyone,everything and anything created here is somehow mediocre and inferior. Please spare us the  rock star attitude, it's embarrassing.

I can also tell you that m121c is pretending to be mature in here. His avoidance, name calling and politic-baiting tactics are on full display elsewhere. Lecturing people all over the place about justifying the steep cost of content.

+1 gdub..

Quote from: gdubmx on June 07, 2016, 08:25:46 PM
M121c,  please elaborate on "drag all of that communities content"

There has been zero content "dragged" since this games inception until recently, which 1 or 2 guys from MXS join this forum and start to import mxgp heightmaps and 8 bikes. 

The people who have been here from the start and just created content haven't dragged anything.  You should contact those persons directly about your issue instead of just throwing out blanket accusations and generalising.

As for the mentality, I'm yet to find anyone on this forum that carries the such self importance attitude that most of you seem to have.  It seems so far the ones that have shown up here seem to think they are an elite pro of everything and that everyone,everything and anything created here is somehow mediocre and inferior. Please spare us the  rock star attitude, it's embarrassing.

Totally agree!! But we are not guys from mxs. We are guys from Spain and France and our home ;) :D :). And MXGP tracks files at least have their own license that allows some things like use them giving credit to the author and never get any money benefit from them. The creator is a very professional person.

Hey RC.. I'm actually enjoy the msm's with skins, so please don't feel the need to only produce replica's.. would love an more RC brand bikes in the collection man!!

When I say same mentality, I mean your attitude and respect towards creators. There is no understanding, only narrow views and assumptions. Believe it or not a lot if people are "for the community" over at the mxs community as well. Ironically, those are also the usual people who don't actually contribute and don't actually give a shit about anything or anyone but their free content.

Quote from: PizzaChet on June 07, 2016, 08:49:34 PM
I can also tell you that m121c is pretending to be mature in here. His avoidance, name calling and politic-baiting tactics are on full display elsewhere. Lecturing people all over the place about justifying the steep cost of content.

PizzaChet (should I refer to you as TeamHavocRacing instead?), you still bitter about the roasting you got on the sim forum? I'd probably be mad too if someone half my age made me out to be fool, I understand.

Funny how you changed your name for this forum.. Yet still try to put out insults and false accusations about me. Now who's the one pretending to be mature? How hypocritical of you to call me out for avoidance, if I remember right that was your exact tactic in our discussion prior to this. Huh, funny.

Have a nice day "PizzaChet"

I don't know anything about mxs, I've never mentioned them for the most part..so it's obvious not all of us are what u guys are arguing over.. only reason I don't play mxs is bc I personally find mxb to be more realistic (IMO).

If you dont think I/we have respect for the creators then you may have missed 99% of my/our post that praise anyone who makes anything for this sim. (Not to mention I have heard plenty of praise for Jay's work b4 all this ranting)..being that I've never set a second of my time in mxs forum, then it's obviously praise coming from mxb and mainly stonerider..he may have got a bit mad but it's pretty dang understandable.

This is a waste of argument now and let's end it. MXS seems large, kinda like the Arma community.. you naturally have a huge mix of community and at some point requires smaller communities within. This may be the same in the future of mxb and is most likely what happens in mxs.

Either way, let's go ahead and bring this to a end bc its a waste of time. I doubt anyone will be bringing mxs stuff over to this sim anymore without discussing with the creator from here on bc we just don't need the toxic environment (both sides).

Peace, love and brap!


Oh and pizza..please don't respond if u can help it lol. Not worth it really.

No prob guys. Done after this now too. I've been PizzaChet since '04. Havoc since '07. https://www.google.com/ (https://www.google.com/) The mentioned topic was created by someone else at MXS and I griped about the cost of a bike model in that thread. As you can see the artiste is a little bent.

Quote from: StoneRider on June 07, 2016, 04:05:20 PM
Just for you to know, m121c made a honda (one of the best model i ever seen)
He's selling it 100$. ONLY JM AND PSD. 100$ without a model. Yeah you hear me well.

I see no problem with that: he creates stuff, he sets the price.
If it's a stupid price, people should not buy. If they buy, they give him a reason to sell the next one for 120$.

That said, in this specific case, I'm really against keeping the bikes around: it only gives Jay and m121c an argument to show "MXB community is just as bad as MXS community".

We can live without those damn 6 bike guys, we don't need them. Just throw them away (and eventually raise your middle finger to those guys, just to let some steam off) and let's forget all this crap.

I mean ... it went so out of control that somebody even mentioned D.Trump: now I have to take huge doses of antihistaminic for a week !!

MaX is totally right,  I've deleted mine already but they should be deleted. We have a Suzuki, yam, Honda's, 96,09,16 lol and a husky,  rc's bikes and the msms.

RC should upload the rc250. I can't wait to test it and skin it!!

So is the only one that's Jays the KXF? We know the husky is a given, how about the CRF 2016 and the YZF 2016?

Any news from the creators but I bet they won't say anything. It's not regular that the people claim about free content. Maybe stone asked for permission to their authors.

again

KTM- No use

Kawasaki- No use

Huksy go for it... the anticipated use of these bikes was made so clear even the whole MXS community seemed to get it, they are private bikes with the blend for use to add custom parts for your private team,

Now this is the pm/email all the Kawasaki buyers should have received-I know some were exempt from this such as special orders where they specifically requested an alternate use of my content however this was never the case in the problem at hand-- And at the very least stone would have received a product key to at least prove purchase which was never shown here on his part.
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If Stone could PM me the first points of contact we had regarding this bike on the MXS forum I will gladly negotiate further there, however at this point May I please ask that my bikes (KTM and Kawasaki) are no longer downloadable for this game.

To
Pacopastor,TeamHavocRacing(Pieceofshit),Geofanatec

None of this matter is up for your debate, I respect your reasoning for feeling my content is owned by you and therefor you have unlimited rights to it, However this is not the case so before one of you chime in with your day saving grace of what should be available to you please withhold your comment as I have seen it read it and choose to politely disagree and I  would like you to leave the issue at hand to now be solved by whom it concerns - Myself and Diego.

Thank you GDub for despite disagreeing still respecting the source of which the content came from, for me you are this communities best bet as it is acts like this that will encourage professional persons to create incredible content  whilst still feeling safe that there hard work is not simply handed around at the discretion of the community.

(TeamHavocRacing) Take note.
The topic of paid for content came up. Its not an issue at all let alone one you can be for or against as it is not something forced upon you therefor opinions on this makes you just look very silly.

 I must say sorry if I said any bad word and my behaviour. I must say also thank you for allow us to use the husky and I think the best thing that had happened is that geo is motivated to give it a try to model a KXF.

I think also it's a good moment to close that topic and pin it.

KTM and KXF will be removed from MXBC. Thanks for clarifying.

Quote from: Jay on June 08, 2016, 01:24:36 PMMay I please ask that my bikes (KTM and Kawasaki) are no longer downloadable for this game.

I'd just like to say i have no opinion on the bikes use, but i would suggest that some of the animosity felt in this thread was caused by your inital post of " Stop putting my bikes in this game."

You claim to be a professional, yet your first post that started this discussion was anything but and recieved a similar non proffessional reaction.

The post i have quoted above is more akin to a professional response and as you can see has recieved a more professional response in return.

I wanted to point that out because this thread reflects badly on some in this community and gives the wrong impression of the people on here, they was simply reacting to the antagonistic style of your first post.

Quote from: bassit on June 08, 2016, 03:21:53 PM

Quote from: Jay on June 08, 2016, 01:24:36 PMMay I please ask that my bikes (KTM and Kawasaki) are no longer downloadable for this game.

I'd just like to say i have no opinion on the bikes use, but i would suggest that some of the animosity felt in this thread was caused by your inital post of " Stop putting my bikes in this game."

You claim to be a professional, yet your first post that started this discussion was anything but and recieved a similar non proffessional reaction.

The post i have quoted above is more akin to a professional response and as you can see has recieved a more professional response in return.

I wanted to point that out because this thread reflects badly on some in this community and gives the wrong impression of the people on here, they was simply reacting to the antagonistic style of your first post.

That's what I felt. I said sorry because I used to be nice with everybody.
Sometimes my English doesn't let me to explain some things but fortunately you did it for me.

Glad to be of help Paco. :)

thanks and sorry from me also/ My initial post was in anger as I didn't even know Stone had purchased the model until later getting a PM from him with the name he used to purchase it..

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Quote from: Jay on June 08, 2016, 09:30:18 PM
thanks and sorry from me also/ My initial post was in anger as I didn't even know Stone had purchased the model until later getting a PM from him with the name he used to purchase it..

Thanks Jay, I am really happy to hear back from you on a good note. Very nice post man. (and 3d work).