I think the possibility of having MX bikes on the steam greenlight system is an awesome way to expand the exposure of not only the game and developer but the sport in general. I understand that the hassle of people asking about skinning and track design all the time would be annoying but a simple link and directions to this forum and site would eliminate the majority of that.
I mean steam currently has 2 MX games! With the arrival of MX vs ATV supercross in a few months that will be 3. None of which are simulation based, the steam database lacks a motocross simulator as well as a superbike/moto gp type simulator so instantly you would claim the top spot of that particular market. I understand there is a fee but aside that what other barriers would you be faced with to greenlight MX bikes?
ya i dont know why jlv or piboso dont use the power of steam greenlight.
We already asked this a couple of times on the GPB forum too but they don't want to put it on Steam yet. I really don't know why... Steam = lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. It will definitely pass the greenlight to be in the actual Steam store ;)
The point is: is there someone who would not buy a game because it is not on Steam?
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 25, 2014, 07:27:12 PM
The point is: is there someone who would not buy a game because it is not on Steam?
The people who are oblivious that games exist beyond Steam/Origin/Desura and the likes.
To add to it, there's quite a bit of people who refuse to back a product unless there's a name associated with it. Kind of like not trusting a download link unless it's from your favorite hosting site, etc. People are weird.
No not at all, the point is it could quadruple your exposure not to mention MX or gp,plus it will bring some extra resources. I'm sure Mrs piboso would be happy.. Happy wife =happy life. Someone has already tapped into the greenlight system with "kartsim" thats had a big response. Is it costs or legal reasons that discourage you? Have you already looked into it?
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 25, 2014, 07:27:12 PM
The point is: is there someone who would not buy a game because it is not on Steam?
no that not but u reach MORE people
Quote from: gdubmx on April 25, 2014, 07:44:03 PM
No not at all, the point is it could quadruple your exposure not to mention MX or gp,plus it will bring some extra resources. I'm sure Mrs piboso would be happy.. Happy wife =happy life. Someone has already tapped into the greenlight system with "kartsim" thats had a big response. Is it costs or legal reasons that discourage you? Have you already looked into it?
No specific reason.
But porting a software to run on Steam requires work.
Are you sure just being on Steam increases exposure? There are so many games now, and no quality approval from Valve...
If you guys want extra exposure make a page on indiedb a lot of steam users use that site as well.
Surely it generates exposure, I know people that didn't even know MXgp existed until it hit steam.ahh I didn't realise it would add to the work load that much. To the everyday Joe bloggs such as me it makes sense, but thats me just being naive to the implications. It would be cool to see tho.
Just basing my opinion off my own bias but, those other games that don't receive increased exposure from just being on Steam probably wouldn't be any better off if they weren't on Steam, either. There's quite a bit of terrible games on Steam, but a Motocross sim is something not everyone has seen or tried before.
I only advocate for steam so much, because I do love steam's service. I'm with Gdub too, I'm one of the sport's biggest fans and I just love seeing the sport grow in any way possible.
Admittedly there's also a handful of people who won't buy the game if it does go on steam. If only there was a workaround... :P
we can also help.
just post it on mx communitys
maybe someone with better english then me casn make a topic on www.thumpertalk.com/
i already post it on the german offroad forum
http://store.steampowered.com/app/219820/
If you don't want to put it on Steam you can always put it on kickstarter or ask famous youtubers to play MX Bikes.
Pewdiepie: Plays trials fusion so why not MXB? Most famous youtuber so chance is very very small.
Nerdcubed: Loves sims and plays a lot of indie games. Just send him a message. Chance is very high that he will play it. Lots of views/video
TeamVVV, (small) channel that reviews almost every race game/simulator.
Maybe we should make a post on reddit or something once MX Bikes is out and upvote it all together. Or spam MXGP videos on youtube with comments about MXB ;) That's how i bought GPB, I was looking for a motoGP game and saw a comment :P
Quote from: Arvoss on April 25, 2014, 08:47:07 PM
That's how i bought GPB, I was looking for a motoGP game and saw a comment :P
hehe same here
So it makes sense. Maybe its something to look at after release?
Steam is good don't get me wrong but I absolutely love games that don't use steam. There just so much simpler and you don't have to rely on steam to play them.
Quote from: MX181 on April 26, 2014, 11:00:17 AM
Steam is good don't get me wrong but I absolutely love games that don't use steam. There just so much simpler and you don't have to rely on steam to play them.
simpler? The games are no different at all.
Example:
MvA Reflex uses two programs to play (steam and the mva game)
GPB only uses one (the program for the game)
thats what i mean by simpler. Also if your having troubles with steam you basically doomed.
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 25, 2014, 07:27:12 PM
The point is: is there someone who would not buy a game because it is not on Steam?
and for this, i probably would buy the game but i wouldnt play it as much if it was on steam. i also know many freinds who wouldnt get the game if it is on steam as they have a strong hate for steam.
Ha ha man your funny. Not a very good example really. Steam works on and offline,its free to use. Way way way more people to play online rather than 6 max that play GPB. Did the owner of steam steal your parents car or set fire to your dog? In all honesty I think maybe your just trying be difficult and the guy thats goes against the grain just for the sake of it. There is nothing wrong with steam at all, if you can think of a genuine reason why a developer or customer shouldn't use it then tell us cus what you just said is quite feeble IMO. And as for not playing as much cus its a steam game.. Really? I highly doubt that. So if you really like a game that only uses steam to play and boot you would rather miss out?
steam makes playing easier for me, 1 plattform with all my games, if i have to make a format c: i just need to install steam and have all my games back again.
1 username
1 password
for all my games
u can build groups, find ur friends easy online, can chat.....
automatic game updates
you could say i am being that grain but in all honesty i will use steam but i preferably dont want to. Thats the best thing about mxs to be honest you jump in teamspeak talk to mates jump in a server and play its just simple and sick.
Quote from: gdubmx on April 26, 2014, 11:31:46 AM
So if you really like a game that only uses steam to play and boot you would rather miss out?
i would get it and probably play it once. i will not want to play it as much as i would of. Although i have faith in pib that he wont put it on steam as it is alot of work, he listens to his customers, i dont think pib wants a massive community and many other reasons (could be wrong on some of my summaries but i dont give a damn!) anyway please dont do it pib
Quote from: MX181 on April 26, 2014, 12:17:31 PM
i dont think pib wants a massive community
Really? :P More players = more money to develop this amazing sim ;)
Quote from: Arvoss on April 26, 2014, 12:22:19 PM
Quote from: MX181 on April 26, 2014, 12:17:31 PM
i dont think pib wants a massive community
Really? :P More players = more money to develop this amazing sim ;)
ino but with a massive community come alot of work, look at mxs. in one year it sold 6000 copies and that game is not on steam and its doing fine.
#imdone
I use steam occasionally but I'm not really a fan it. I do like Desura though.
Why do people never say why they don't like Steam? Every time it seems like it's just blanket statements. Do you guys who don't like it, not like it because you have to simply log in? The layout is confusing to you? What is it? Have any of you guys even used Steam in the last year or two?
I use auto log-in and haven't entered my password in probably over a year so logging in can't be troublesome. The Steam layout is super easy to navigate with buttons like STORE, LIBRARY, COMMUNITY and such hugely labeled at the top without clutter.
To someone saying they will play a game but not as much if it was on Steam kind of makes my eyes pop out a little bit. I guess I'll chalk it up to a humanities debate for another topic, as when MX181 said he likes MXS for teamspeak...Man I could go on and on about my dislikes for TS.
Anyway, we've already established that it's possible to have a game on Steam and it not affect the users who don't want to use Steam. Just gotta figure out what the rest of the community will want when it starts crowding in after the game releases.
I don't like running a program just to run a game really. I don't like the UI. A lot of functions are buggy. Just don't really care for it.
I literally can't think of a single bug with any of Steam's functions. I understand if for whatever reason using a program to run all your games doesn't gel with you. But the UI is cleaner than a '14 YZ250 8)
yep never see a bug there
Meh. Its dull. And a about a month ago I went to get on a game with a friend who just got steam and we couldn't add each other for over a week. Kept giving error codes.
Some of the deals they have are nice but overall I just don't care for it. I like all the indie games on desura. So I use that a lot more.
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 25, 2014, 07:54:31 PM
Quote from: gdubmx on April 25, 2014, 07:44:03 PM
No not at all, the point is it could quadruple your exposure not to mention MX or gp,plus it will bring some extra resources. I'm sure Mrs piboso would be happy.. Happy wife =happy life. Someone has already tapped into the greenlight system with "kartsim" thats had a big response. Is it costs or legal reasons that discourage you? Have you already looked into it?
No specific reason.
But porting a software to run on Steam requires work.
Are you sure just being on Steam increases exposure? There are so many games now, and no quality approval from Valve...
Definitely. Greenlighted games get exposure, especially if you sell on steam and off steam. if it doesnt get greenlighted then people still see it because it gets voted on. idk. i think its worth the shot. just look at how many sim's are on steam
real sims....2-3?
I don't see too many Sims on steam.
Flight sims
Asseto corsa
Its proven everyday, that our fan base of a community is so far off, it is disgusting. Do what you want as a company, it is your right, just always remember no matter what or how we do things in life there will always be those debbie downers and followers "cough cough" who jump ship.
Everyone is so eager to scream & shout do this, do that...... But from a business stand point you cannot approach it that way. For an example if MxGP was to add a clutch it could throw off the ENTIRE physics of the game.
Chris Blose
Ivan Tedesco
Michael Blose
Jason McTygue
Sean Hamblin
Destry Abbott
Which above names have All played mxvsatv, mxgp, mxsim which they chose #MxGPVideoGame as there favorite (ALL-AROUND) Game.
2nd- Was MxvsATV Reflex 3rd- MxvsAtv Alive 4th- MXSIM (TOO IN DEPTH FOR A DEMOGRAPHIC GAME, THESE GUYS DO IT FOR A LIVING)
(Just My 2 Cents)
#TheRealJM
Quote from: THERealJM on May 02, 2014, 10:44:00 AM
Its proven everyday, that our fan base of a community is so far off, it is disgusting. Do what you want as a company, it is your right, just always remember no matter what or how we do things in life there will always be those debbie downers and followers "cough cough" who jump ship.
Everyone is so eager to scream & shout do this, do that...... But from a business stand point you cannot approach it that way. For an example if MxGP was to add a clutch it could throw off the ENTIRE physics of the game.
Chris Blose
Ivan Tedesco
Michael Blose
Jason McTygue
Sean Hamblin
Destry Abbott
Which above names have All played mxvsatv, mxgp, mxsim which they chose #MxGPVideoGame as there favorite (ALL-AROUND) Game.
2nd- Was MxvsATV Reflex 3rd- MxvsAtv Alive 4th- MXSIM (TOO IN DEPTH FOR A DEMOGRAPHIC GAME, THESE GUYS DO IT FOR A LIVING)
(Just My 2 Cents)
#TheRealJM
What are you talking about Couch???? Who cares about what those riders think about Mxgp.. this is a thread about Steam greenlight. Have you ever posted a comment that actually makes sense lol?? you baffle me mate,sorry.
Yeh also confused. So a bunch of people were paid to say they love mxgp?
+1 what is he talking about? last post also i dont understand "gaming"
He speaks in riddles and #hashtags lol. Never been able to see his point. I'm sure now that he gets a commission for spreading mxgp praise.
Did he just hash tag his own name... :o
i cant buy it on here thats my problem im from Belgium and i have maestro
thats why i need steam
To get on Steam we would need to go through the 'Greenlight' process... I very much doubt that MXB would get through (at this stage, anyway...)
Set up a PayPal.. Plus I'm now in the other side of the debate about having certain games on steam. They would take 30% of the sale leaving team piboso a little amount to progress with updates. And snappe.. It would defo be a done deal if it did get greenlite! :)
If MXB or GPB went on steam, would that affect modding in any way?
From what I see so far for gpbikes the base sim is 1 track and 4 bikes! Everything else is created/ported by the modders!
Whilst piboso continues to develope the physics side..
I guess mxbikes will take the same route as gpbikes in being a hardcore sim! For enthusiasts..
I race bikes like many others on these forums. Find it hard to go back to normal games now because these sims hit the spot for me!
Id say steam would be a waste of time.. (im not saying dont try) but the fan base will always be small compared to the usual ''games''. Lets be honest most people just want to pick up and play..
I'm not against steam but not only steam, we must have the choice to use it or no.
Many games cannot be played without steam servers, and i really dońt like this.
For those who wants, why not, but i don't need to have something wich makes all i can do by myself.
One more thing: If mxbikes goes on steam as a beta, many persons will complain about this, about that, and so and so(we have seen that about GPBikes without steam) because many people doesn't know what means BETA.
I honestly dont like the idea of it being on steam just for the fact i feel like it will ofcourse attract alot more attention ( Good for Pib ) However may not be good for MXB. I feel like it will attract an audience who isnt as serious about the sport or know really what they are doing, talking about and may cause extra stress and confusion. Also i feel like there would be a few of those guys who dont even treat it like a simulation and try and make it into an arcade-ish game of some sort. My opinion ofcourse ;D
I say it never hurts to try ;) Plus alpha/ beta games are HUGE on steam!
Quote from: uollie on April 26, 2014, 04:22:19 PM
Why do people never say why they don't like Steam? Every time it seems like it's just blanket statements. Do you guys who don't like it, not like it because you have to simply log in? The layout is confusing to you? What is it? Have any of you guys even used Steam in the last year or two?
I used steam a tiny bit and, if possible, I prefer to avoid it (but not as much as Origin, which was a real nightmare).
Reasons:
- One extra thing to download/update/run.
- I don't need most of its features: chat --> teamspeak/mumble, screen capture/recording --> msi afterburner, etc.
- I hate all the advertising flying around: I don't care about "Euro Subway Simulator 3.5" or "Zombiemania United". Stop spamming me, thanks.
- I hate all the attempts to lock you into a single system.
To be honest, I don't think it's bad at what it does, it's just that I'm not that interested in what it does.
And I prefer a small good community to a giant crappy one.
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 16, 2014, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: uollie on April 26, 2014, 04:22:19 PM
Why do people never say why they don't like Steam? Every time it seems like it's just blanket statements. Do you guys who don't like it, not like it because you have to simply log in? The layout is confusing to you? What is it? Have any of you guys even used Steam in the last year or two?
I used steam a tiny bit and, if possible, I prefer to avoid it (but not as much as Origin, which was a real nightmare).
Reasons:
- One extra thing to download/update/run.
- I don't need most of its features: chat --> teamspeak/mumble, screen capture/recording --> msi afterburner, etc.
- I hate all the advertising flying around: I don't care about "Euro Subway Simulator 3.5" or "Zombiemania United". Stop spamming me, thanks.
- I hate all the attempts to lock you into a single system.
To be honest, I don't think it's bad at what it does, it's just that I'm not that interested in what it does.
And I prefer a small good community to a giant crappy one.
MaX.
Amen to origin haha. I like steam and add non-steam games like MX-bikes to my library to quickly launch it. I like steam as a convenience and don't necessarily need it for the store. The store helps me find good deals on games though =).