(http://s33.postimg.org/z4q6sh9vj/screen071.png)
Here is the release for my 2016 RMZ model. still not all the way done. need to fix the shading errors and mess with the geom some more. Feedback is always appreciated.
Link : http://www.mediafire.com/download/0un7cuiuxo11ex3/bikes.rar
*******UPDATE 6/6/2016 ********Download the cutout for graphics. my template is not complete so that is why it is not released. simply unpack the stock graphics for a .tga of the template and use that please. V2.0 should have a template release.
http://www93.zippyshare.com/v/VEM3Xl1P/file.html
*******UPDATE 7/5/2016 ********Sorry for the lack of updates.. not have had the motivation to finish really :/.. should be perfect geoms done tho enjoy :)
https://mega.nz/#!3lJDHTYL!ZIcxG88JrtROXvdRdXPeHKVJtzVuUcoKmzH8Rh8BhiI
*****UPDATE 12/27/16*********Updated Physics files thanks to RC
https://www.mediafire.com/?cmhow6uv11pc3lu
******Update 1/1/17*******Bike file size down and sound issues fixed, dirt maps will be remade soon!
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ij4nyzi8k1f586c/bikes(2).rar
******Update 01-25-2017************
RMZ250
https://www.mediafire.com/?yxx4c7shhbimbrk
Quote from: Asdrael on March 18, 2017, 07:56:26 PM
>>> 18.03.2017 : Beta 6 update : Suzuki Pack v2.0 <<<
Here is the Suzuki 2016 motocross range updated for Beta 6.
Standard bikes
- Chassis flex values added
OEM bikes
- Chassis flex values added
- 4 strokes: different engine maps added, based on the different couplers coming with the bike. Warning: bullshit detected. Couplers change fuel mix which we can't control here, so instead I changed the dyno map slightly, similarly to the CRF "Modes". Expect a difference in behaviour you can feel, but not enough to give an obvious all around winner.
- No Coupler: Stock hp curve, rather full at low RPMs but limited at high RPMs.
- White Coupler: Spreads the power delivery more smoothly over all the RPM range. Longer, more manageable pull.
- Grey Coupler: Tightens the engine, shifting more of its power to the high RPMs. Faster revving, harder hitting.
Download link:
Suzuki RMZs v2.0 (https://mega.nz/#!ZFRShaLK!49A4TL3zfDGxAzQOD7dbpAzos-Uh8Klc9A0DW3iBeX0)
Necessary Geo Tyre Mod (http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1451.0) for the OEM bikes to work.
As always, let me know if anything is out of whack. Enjoy!
Huge thanks to
Ike ( TheFatController ) for feedback and helping me on getting a normal map setup
StoneRider for setting up the model for us to enjoy
Ankle o' Steel for setting up the model aswell and countless weeks of me spam messaging him questions
Gary ( GDUBMX ) for feedback and getting me to start the model
Consider donating 8)
paypal.me/damiendesmond (http://paypal.me/damiendesmond)
Thank you for the bike, firstly! Secondly, I think its a nice, fun bike to ride. I can feel some torque in it running my usual gearing but I don't find it to do anything weird or overpowering, really. Nothing feels out of place in the handling to my novice understanding of bike physics.
this is actually the msm original engine on both 250 and 450.
thanks for the bike! i only tested it in sp now, because no Server have the bike. when braking in to a Corner (front brake) the rear slides to much (to much Motor brake?)
the Overall grip is bader. but maybe it is because i was playing sp with Deformation.
best looking bike for me, thanks again
this is may be the most accurate model we ever had... idk ^^. but i know that i made the bike files.. i made the geom exactly the same way i did with all my other releases and put the exactly same engine. the bike handle just sooooo good... best we ever had. and it's a V1 i made as a "beta". in like... two hours lol. Vortexdamdam is going to make it even better... :)
suzuki's always been the best ever btw... that's just it. :P
Absolutely love it damo! Fantastic work.
It does feel like the wheelbase is shorter than the MSMs, not sure about IRL but maybe that's why it's front end happy?
It's a great model, Damien. You should be very proud of your work!
One of my favorites for sure!
Quote from: rc4187 on June 05, 2016, 05:11:45 PM
It's a great model, Damien. You should be very proud of your work!
+1
And i wil try a other setup or racing online, mp is different to the sp
I'm loving it. Rides SX very well
Downloading. I can't wait to test it. BIG BIG BIG thanks to all you in special Damien for this f**** hard and consuming work.
wow crazy, now i had the time to test the bike in multiplayer, no sliding anymore and i made a personal best tim in 3 laps... :D
I don't know why but i'm faster in this bike, and the model is sweet. Very accurate, almost perfect. Be proud of that man.
Thank you, best bike yet. ;)
It rides so smooth without what seems like the crazy power delivery of the other 450s, it feels to me very similar to the msm350, except you are going faster.
I use Geo's suspension settings and have no problems.
http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=907.msg13035#msg13035 (http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=907.msg13035#msg13035)
i want to do a kr94 Skin, can i use the cutout from the skinning contest? or do i Need a other template?
ist the first time i want to Skin something for mxb
Quote from: ChrisK on June 06, 2016, 08:16:10 PM
i want to do a kr94 Skin, can i use the cutout from the skinning contest? or do i Need a other template?
ist the first time i want to Skin something for mxb
Same question from me..
I don't know if Damien is going to release a template for photoshop. But if not, you can use the provided skin for experimenting with skinning. If you only paste the cutout over the provided default skin, the result wouldn't be as you expected because the colours need their proper shading.If you are good with photoshop try to do it but without the UV Wireframe it's going to be hard.
so this will not work?
Updated the thread..
Cutout is released.. for now the template needs to be worked on and cleaned up before i release it. to actually get the 3d model you would need to purchase that from me tho.. i plan on getting a bunch of "premade" stuff done when you can pick what you want and add the .edf files and you can release your bikes that way. but in order to add your own shit/render the bike you would have to purchase that. expect a v2 next weekend or so
:D i understand nothing lol.
i dont want a render or something i just want to make a Skin for us.
use painted to extract the rmz paint, then download the cutout Damien added to the first thread and lay it over the paint you've extracted, should be enough to start a skin.
ah ok, now i get it.
thank you
come online guys :)
alright thanks
Hey man this awesome! :) I would love to download it but unfortunately the link isn't working so could you please reupload it! :)
I don't know why, I m faster with this as with the Yamaha on which I feel more comfortable... The fork is soft though, no?
Just to let anyone know I'm currently doing the mad racing dirt candy Suzuki graphics. If no one does the motorcycle superstore zuke then I may do that after.
Sent you a pm gdub ;)
Lol OK cool, just saw this. I'm gonna start on the motorcycle superstore then. Looks awesome fats
1st Post updated with new link
Once again, thank you! Love the bike, it's great!
Also, can't wait for gdub's graphics (and any others)
The 250 is my best go to race bike now!
The 450 seems like it has a few issues but I am one of the ones who claim the 450's have issues to begin with in this sim..
However, the rm450 especially noticeable on GH, seems to have a strange floating front end issue.. like wheel base or something.
Quote from: Vortex_Damien on June 05, 2016, 12:04:30 AM
(http://s33.postimg.org/z4q6sh9vj/screen071.png)
Here is the release for my 2016 RMZ model. still not all the way done. need to fix the shading errors and mess with the geom some more. Feedback is always appreciated.
v1.1 Link : http://www.mediafire.com/download/0un7cuiuxo11ex3/bikes.rar
v1.2 Link : https://mega.nz/#!a9gmDaiD!SxqdeTAh4B_RhYr_nbs_CMXRzEoYt6QBZ5Ww4Ll2qLc * Updated Geom Files / Mud Layers *
*******UPDATE 6/6/2016 ********
Download the cutout for graphics. my template is not complete so that is why it is not released. simply unpack the stock graphics for a .tga of the template and use that please. V2.0 should have a template release.
http://www93.zippyshare.com/v/VEM3Xl1P/file.html
(http://www93.zippyshare.com/v/VEM3Xl1P/file.html)]
Huge thanks to
Ike ( TheFatController ) for feedback and helping me on getting a normal map setup
StoneRider for setting up the model for us to enjoy
Ankle o' Steel for setting up the model aswell and countless weeks of me spam messaging him questions
Gary ( GDUBMX ) for feedback and getting me to start the model
Consider donating 8)
paypal.me/damiendesmond (http://paypal.me/damiendesmond)
1st Post Updated with v1.2
what did u Change for 1.2?
Did you replace the suspension with an older and broken one? Nah, I'm joking, IMO it's too lower on the rear.
i did it paco, i just made the swingarm match with the frame like it was modeled. that doesn't choke me... ^^ and it doesn't wheelie anymore
Quote from: StoneRider on June 13, 2016, 09:42:52 PM
i did it paco, i just made the swingarm match with the frame like it was modeled. that doesn't choke me... ^^ and it doesn't wheelie anymore
NOOOOO! haha, I already solved wheelies with the smooth!! A bit weird but i like it.
well.. in fact... may be you're right. it's low.. ^^ i just made the tie rod match in fact
Quote from: StoneRider on June 13, 2016, 09:56:46 PM
well.. in fact... may be you're right. it's low.. ^^ i just made the tie rod match in fact
It's too low my friend. What about animating brake and clutch levers? I can tell you how to do it in 3d Max. It's so easy.
don't forget to upload the new one Geo... :)
After riding it a bit, I noticed (that beside it's too low), it has a very strong tendency to lift the front high on every jump if you keep the throttle open on a jump face. I tried fiddling with the setup (compression rebound mostly) but couldn't get rid of it totally. I have to rear brake tap like a mad man all the time to keep it level. I suppose it has to do with the current swingarm/pivot and why it also is very low.
Side note: the handlebar is chrome, not yellow ;)
Great job on the moddeling though, it looks pimp and everything aside from the rear suspension is great.
Quote from: Asdrael on June 15, 2016, 11:50:34 AM
After riding it a bit, I noticed (that beside it's too low), it has a very strong tendency to lift the front high on every jump if you keep the throttle open on a jump face. I tried fiddling with the setup (compression rebound mostly) but couldn't get rid of it totally. I have to rear brake tap like a mad man all the time to keep it level. I suppose it has to do with the current swingarm/pivot and why it also is very low.
Side note: the handlebar is chrome, not yellow ;)
Great job on the moddeling though, it looks pimp and everything aside from the rear suspension is great.
I forgot to say that, totally agree with the tendency to go back on all the jumps. I'm not an mx rider IRL but I think usually you have to pull back a bit the handlebar. Isn't it?
In my small experience of real life motocross and much bigger experience of dirt jumping bmx and mtb, you try and keep your body in line with the ground at all times, so up the face of a jump you'd actually lean forward slightly..
Fats is correct. Your body is slightly forward of the pegs, not necessarily leaning forward but forward on the bikes center/pegs.
Sorry yeah, bad choice of words, you don't want to put too much weight on the bars! :D It's definitely more of a center of gravity thing.
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THIS VERSION FOR TONIGHT'S RACE
v1.2 Link : https://mega.nz/#!a9gmDaiD!SxqdeTAh4B_RhYr_nbs_CMXRzEoYt6QBZ5Ww4Ll2qLc
hey guys, first of all i really like that bike! its looking awesome. but if i ride with the suzuki the sx tracks i cant get down my front wheel after the jumps... i thought that the yamaha goes for me better to jump. could that be right or am i crazy?! :D if no, does it depend on the standart suspension settings of the suzuki? What to change there ? Can someone help?
Braap.. I think its the sx jumps more than the bikes..may be wrong. Plenty of rear brake, slam rider forward.
May be wrong and some bike issue as well but pretty sure all bikes have this on Asdrael SX.
1st post updated
Update See main thred
YAY!!! THX RC !!!
Might be an illusion that it's faster, since it's another model and you are happy about the new model so it makes you think you are going faster but in reality you are going the same speed as the msm 450, i don't know..
Quote from: Rhyveeo on December 28, 2016, 12:58:47 PM
Might be an illusion that it's faster, since it's another model and you are happy about the new model so it makes you think you are going faster but in reality you are going the same speed as the msm 450, i don't know..
same engine. but not the same geometry. soo.. not the same handle.
Quote from: TFC on June 15, 2016, 02:26:37 PM
In my small experience of real life motocross and much bigger experience of dirt jumping bmx and mtb, you try and keep your body in line with the ground at all times, so up the face of a jump you'd actually lean forward slightly..
This is true, ideally the rider would be leaned forward with his chin directly above the handlebars for the best balance, I believe they call it the "attack" position.
RC, the bike handle soo well... thank you man that's awesome
Major improvement since the latest version, great bike to ride now.
I noticed there is still a problem when looking at the sag in the Test mode, and at least on the 250F (is it only me?) there is no sound when decelerating at high RPMs.
yes there is a sound bug :/ btw is it possible to do custom mud layers?? i really dont like the mud on the cables/tank cap
^^^The sound bug is on throttle down, i noticed also. But amazing model & wow RC, you did awesome on the physics!. Since there is only a Default Pnt. Would you mind posting that so we could do a little skinning work with your new parts? And I'd love to do a render if that was cool with you. 8)
I didn't notice the sound thing, but honestly only listened to make sure I got the rev limiter sound in. Should be easy enough to fix, though.
The model is the same as the beta 4 release, so all the paints from that still work.
ya, he just has updated forks and seat that i wanted 8)
Sound fixed !
http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1419.msg20743#msg20743
Finally tested it properly with the new sounds ;)
Loving how it looks, loving how it behaves. The stock suspensions setup on it is pretty good too. It does however appear to be some extra room for movement onthe rear shock - the tyre doesn't go all the way up to the fender. Like 20cm leftover.
Great job on it, imo it's just lacking a bit in the finishing touches department - getting proper sag measurement and a better looking dirt map. Rest is spot on, might be my newbike for this beta!
Uh, 320-350MB per bike, that's a lot !
Is it normal they have model.edf, model_cockpit.edf, model_lod2.edf and model_lod3.edf all of identical sizes (65+MB each) ?
I can (maybe understand) the cockpit model, by the 2 LODs ?!
Quote from: HornetMaX on December 31, 2016, 12:06:09 AM
Uh, 320-350MB per bike, that's a lot !
Is it normal they have model.edf, model_cockpit.edf, model_lod2.edf and model_lod3.edf all of identical sizes (65+MB each) ?
I can (maybe understand) the cockpit model, by the 2 LODs ?!
yeah that is a lot. could probably get rid of the LOD's entirely seeing as it's probably the exact same model anyway.
My pitbikes are only 29mb and my 125 is only about 70mb. and that includes many paints.
understand model is 65k polys, i will upload a quick fix for the sounds later tonight when i get home... i will work on dirt layers too tonight
Quote from: Vortex_Damien on December 31, 2016, 01:23:01 AM
understand model is 65k polys
Yeah but why LOD2 and LOD3 are exactly same size ?! If they are identical, there's no need for them, no ?
I took out the LOD's and adjusted the scripts. got them down around 100mb each. I'll send to Damien when I see him online if he wants to update.
As far as I can tell... they function exactly the same in-game visibly.
and what about the 450 ? it had 250's sounds and 250 engine for me Oo
all 4 strokes in the game use the 250 sounds. my 450 and 250 engines are distinctly different for the rmz's, though.
it think that we need Stock engines for race... the 450 is soo weird. and it's not competitive with other bikes
Hi guys, the bikes ride so smooth. Very nice looking too. Just real measurements like a proper rake angle and some real data are missing imo. Good work.
Update Check Main Thred
Quote from: StoneRider on January 01, 2017, 05:35:11 PM
it think that we need Stock engines for race...[...] and it's not competitive with other bikes
+1
+fc450
Quote from: StoneRider on January 01, 2017, 05:35:11 PM
it think that we need Stock engines for race... the 450 is soo weird. and it's not competitive with other bikes
+1
PhiliaN and I tested the RMZ 450 and the CRF450. The CRF450 is pretty similar to the normal 450xf, but the RMZ is just no where neare these bikes. It is not compatible. Please, change something. I could imagine, that the guys who picked the RMZ in the gtx championship will have a hard time.
I guess I need to clarify. I meant the 450 and the 250 are distinctly different. I didn't mean they used a custom engine. I assume it's the stock engine as I did not modify them. I only worked on the geom. But they are not the same bike as was implied in a previous post.
cheers mate
Strange.. all the previous updates only take a minute or so to donwload..this new link is saying 2 hours?? I wonder whats wrong on my end i guess?
Quote from: BadStar on January 02, 2017, 05:55:17 PM
Strange.. all the previous updates only take a minute or so to donwload..this new link is saying 2 hours?? I wonder whats wrong on my end i guess?
Mediafire...
Hit and miss for me too, download usually isn't too bad but can vary.. Upload speed.. It's crap in the UK.
I like mega.nz to host large files.
Could you please put a link up for the template of the bike so i can create my own graphics & Parts please <3
^^^^ Ya, the cutout link doesn't work. ???
Same, i want to skin the rmz, anyone got the template?
Quote from: Mace-x on January 13, 2017, 10:35:31 PM
Same, i want to skin the rmz, anyone got the template?
https://mega.nz/#!FpliBL4B!Ysp9oR3mPsyo1NIQeO6k56uRUru6NS-hTO3UY4HSWIg
Ffs!
Already skinned it, unpacked the original template and used that hahaha, will fine tweak it later ;D
Quote from: gdubmx on January 13, 2017, 11:27:48 PM
Quote from: Mace-x on January 13, 2017, 10:35:31 PM
Same, i want to skin the rmz, anyone got the template?
https://mega.nz/#!FpliBL4B!Ysp9oR3mPsyo1NIQeO6k56uRUru6NS-hTO3UY4HSWIg
Would you mind uploaded that same thing, but with selectable shading? I cringe skinning over shading cause it looks ghetto, and also makes it unable to select plastics correctly. If so, awesome! If not, less awesome, but still cool! 8)
damo sent me the old psd for this mate, he has the updated version. this is the only thing i can use at the moment.
hey RC can you update it with a lower rear and some mud layers please ?
I'll get an updated rmz by next week. I just have a lot of personal projects and other obligations I want to see through first.
I've done an update. If Damien OK's it, I'll post a link as it is his bike. Stone and Geo have both tested it. and say it's ready. Only adjustment was rear shock. I have not had time to do any testing myself, so I appreciate their feedback.
go right ahead and release, sorry everyone i have been busy devolving a game and such so not much time for mxb
Quote from: Vortex_Damien on January 25, 2017, 09:26:31 PM
go right ahead and release, sorry everyone i have been busy devolving a game and such so not much time for mxb
You're good, Damien. You're making good stuff and we appreciate your models.
Here's link to newest update on RMZ250
https://www.mediafire.com/?yxx4c7shhbimbrk (https://www.mediafire.com/?yxx4c7shhbimbrk)
1st post updated
Curious as to what changed / how you changed it. Rear shock behaviour seems to be an issue on most custom bikes, would be good to have some kind of golden rule for this. I am guessing linkage changes?
Final OEM files for the babe by Asdrael https://mega.nz/#!YUBEyIqb!72kb-jEQA6Fp-6IUiwjk3z8VGcKjO1L--xkNsflIAzw
I'll do a new topic when i finish the edf files. I don't get the way Rc did it so i have to redo it all. As' allready made the files so... Still no mud layers for now but a real behavior at least :)
Enjoy
Quote from: StoneRider on February 15, 2017, 04:12:23 PM
Final OEM files for the babe by Asdrael https://mega.nz/#!YUBEyIqb!72kb-jEQA6Fp-6IUiwjk3z8VGcKjO1L--xkNsflIAzw
I'll do a new topic when i finish the edf files. I don't get the way Rc did it so i have to redo it all. As' allready made the files so... Still no mud layers for now but a real behavior at least :)
Enjoy
That's Std (geom changes) + OEM (geom + engine). Don't bash me for the specs, Suzuki made it with 28.4 rake angle and 21.5mm fork offset. And that is, when the different local Suzuki websites don't contradict themselves. I'm not responsible :p (Has the new weight repartition stuff too). Go for 30mm front 40mm rear dry sag. Expect some good handling and some dubious stability sometimes. Stock settings are off because I can't get my hands on an RMZ user manual and Suzuki sells those for 50$.
Edit: hoh yeah and open for feedback, was some pretty extreme geom changes and with teh suzuki funky approach to chassis design, not sure how it's working out. I'm loving the 450F though.
Nice work guys, I was looking forward to Suzuki geometrys being done. I always felt the bike seem off somehow. I may switch back to this again or that 17 kawi, that's pretty fun.
Hoh and to reduce the size of the main DL I removed the skins beside the stock ones. I will reupload the rest as extra later today as they were all great.
ok im gonna go on the record and say there is an issue with this bike that was introduced a couple of updates ago. Im not sure what it is but the front end just isnt right, i mean every other bike you can brake tap in the air with some forward lean and drop the front end easy, with this bike i find it impossible to do. really off putting, i was hoping the new OEM geom would fix this but it hasnt.
Talked to GDub on Steam. Turns out he was using the stock settings on the 450, so basically bottoming out everywhere :p
I'm a sad little troll and made the RMZ450 fork stock settings shit, as every review of the real bike was very "reserved" about the fork of the RMZ450. Go for intermediate settings on it and it'll be fine ;)
Quote from: Asdrael on February 17, 2017, 08:15:24 PM
Talked to GDub on Steam. Turns out he was using the stock settings on the 450, so basically bottoming out everywhere :p
I'm a sad little troll and made the RMZ450 fork stock settings shit, as every review of the real bike was very "reserved" about the fork of the RMZ450. Go for intermediate settings on it and it'll be fine ;)
You're not just a troll but basically a bike scientist and I don't know a damn thing past "stock"... so how in the heck would I do "intermediate" settings. Not nice troll >:( :( ??? :D ;D :P
Intermediate - I meant middle setting for everything.
For the RMZ, for a good all around base: at the front -~4.8 spring, 10 comp 10 rebound, 5 preload, 110 oil ; at the rear, 46 spring, 10 comp 10 rebound 15 preload. Up a spring front and back (and adjust preload) for SX.
Thanks for those setting Asdrael, haha man that was fun trying to figure out what the he'll was going on!
>>> 18.03.2017 : Beta 6 update : Suzuki Pack v2.0 <<<
Here is the Suzuki 2016 motocross range updated for Beta 6.
Standard bikes- Chassis flex values added
OEM bikes- Chassis flex values added
- 4 strokes: different engine maps added, based on the different couplers coming with the bike. Warning: bullshit detected. Couplers change fuel mix which we can't control here, so instead I changed the dyno map slightly, similarly to the CRF "Modes". Expect a difference in behaviour you can feel, but not enough to give an obvious all around winner.
- No Coupler: Stock hp curve, rather full at low RPMs but limited at high RPMs.
- White Coupler: Spreads the power delivery more smoothly over all the RPM range. Longer, more manageable pull.
- Grey Coupler: Tightens the engine, shifting more of its power to the high RPMs. Faster revving, harder hitting.
Download link:
Suzuki RMZs v2.0 (https://mega.nz/#!ZFRShaLK!49A4TL3zfDGxAzQOD7dbpAzos-Uh8Klc9A0DW3iBeX0)
Necessary Geo Tyre Mod (http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1451.0) for the OEM bikes to work.
As always, let me know if anything is out of whack. Enjoy!
>>> 27.3.2017 : SHAKDATASS PATCH 450 OEM - RMZ Std + OEM v 2.1<<<
Did some extensive testing after having been made aware of somes issues pushing the 450f OEM, the rear being extremely uncontrolable when braking and at low speeds, severly limiting corner entry speed and giving a "tipitoe" feeling when below 3rd gear. Issue found and fixed.
Changes only in the 450f engine files: braking torque reduced, back to MSM values.
Engine files to drop in your RMZ450 OEM folder: RMZ450OEM v2.1 patch (https://mega.nz/#!MExgHbII!w1_z3b5b4f_MJ0xnvfjHhHCODRuoBLHbIfB3wVnC-UQ) (<- you only need this if you already had the pack. Don't forget to delete when comes the time to OneStopSync your files).
Complete pack v2.1: 2016 Suzuki RMZ Std + OEM pack v2.1 (https://mega.nz/#!BIhhmZwb!vlrlafRCC2aIY1iymbVWo40F23fCLq5KMh30fq61zn0) (all in .pkz already).
Reminder: OEM bikes need Geo's Tyres (http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1451.0) to work.
Please direct general feedback on the OEM changes to this thread: http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1666.0 ; and keep the model specific here ;)