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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I am having trouble setting the suspension up properly so that the bike does not bounce too much when landing flat/casing jumps.

Anyone got an idea what I should do? Thanks in advance

It's a bug,  wait for beta 6 maybe 7 mate.

Which bike model are you riding? The MSM have very soft suspensions that are part of the oven as well. But landing really flat or casing hard, ye you will always bounce.

Quote from: gdubmx on November 11, 2016, 10:56:05 AM
It's a bug,  wait for beta 6 maybe 7 mate.

It's probably better to wait for Beta 23.

Quote from: PiBoSo on November 11, 2016, 03:19:38 PM

Quote from: gdubmx on November 11, 2016, 10:56:05 AM
It's a bug,  wait for beta 6 maybe 7 mate.

It's probably better to wait for Beta 23.

Love the honesty Piboso..  Lol

Seriously though OP beta 5 has had some tuning in terms of suspension so we shall see if it has been fixed or at the very least improved.

I think it just needs more range of adjustability or range of travel. Most of the time I get cores it seems like it's during times when the tire goes into the ground layer. With deformation off I feel like it never cores. Anyone else?

Quote from: gdubmx on November 11, 2016, 08:11:42 PM
Seriously though OP beta 5 has had some tuning in terms of suspension so we shall see if it has been fixed or at the very least improved.

The suspensions simulation has already been greatly improved, and the bounciness problem is almost completely gone.
The fix will be integrated in Beta5.

sounds awesome pib!

I don't think it's gone, but I've only been playing since beta 6 so I can't tell the difference if any between versions. Tried playing with suspension settings, thinking maybe that was my problem, but keep I bouncing a lot.

I've been looking closer at landing the bike and it's like the suspension doesn't absorb the impact and just launches you straight up (the cause of most of my crashes?).

And btw., why is there hardly any in-air control (F/B)? That would at least give a chance to prevent most of the flat landings by matching angle of the landing slope.

Most remaining bouncing is due to bottoming out and/or rider not absorbing hard impact well enough. I have to say that I think overall, the stock MSM suspensions are too weak - which is why the bike I have worked on have stiffer suspension presets in their .cfg. With a decent setup, I hardly ever bounce unless I land flat from a supercross triple.

But still, much improved compared to beta 3 or whatever it was :p

Quote from: Asdrael on March 24, 2017, 06:55:15 PM
With a decent setup, I hardly ever bounce unless I land flat from a supercross triple.

Still shouldn't bounce as much as we do though. We should smack our heads into the handlebars and get a dizzy effect instead. ;)

Quote from: Rutjes on March 24, 2017, 06:48:21 PM
And btw., why is there hardly any in-air control (F/B)? That would at least give a chance to prevent most of the flat landings by matching angle of the landing slope.

is your joy stick set up proper for this and do you have auto f/b turned off?  I can get pretty good control f/b...

some bikes, especially on SX..yes, little f/b control available

Quote from: BadStar on March 25, 2017, 01:42:52 AM

Quote from: Rutjes on March 24, 2017, 06:48:21 PM
And btw., why is there hardly any in-air control (F/B)? That would at least give a chance to prevent most of the flat landings by matching angle of the landing slope.

is your joy stick set up proper for this and do you have auto f/b turned off?  I can get pretty good control f/b...

some bikes, especially on SX..yes, little f/b control available

Auto f/b is turned off using a 360 controller. L/R and F/B lean on right stick. At the moment I have to hit a jump leaning just right to get a proper flight path with a good landing. Leaning in air really doesn't seem to do anything. Tried using throttle and brake to no avail.

Something wrong there then. I find brake gyro to be spot on, but acceleration gyro feels a little too weak, but still works to some extent.

As in real life, body position is everything when jumping. The same is true here, if you want a controllable trajectory you really need to be set up as you leave a jump face by leaning appropriately.

Leaning in the air should affect things differently depending on if you have a nose high, tail high or level flight, but generally leaning forward will lower the back end as your sucking up the front of the bike. Leaning back can dip the nose. Again dependant on type of flight, I.e if you have a nose down flight leaning forward is going to kill you and leaning back with panic rev might just save you, where you have a nose high flight leaning forward with brake might just save you leaning back will kill you until your dead lol..

It all takes experimenting..

Quote from: PiBoSo on November 11, 2016, 03:19:38 PM

Quote from: gdubmx on November 11, 2016, 10:56:05 AM
It's a bug,  wait for beta 6 maybe 7 mate.

It's probably better to wait for Beta 23.

I was going to ask this but I guess the game psychics just are not ready yet

I have checked out all those set up guides on the site but its still like trying to drive a clown car, how do you guys set up the bike to where the tires can stay on the ground after a jump or bump?

also is Nevada even ride able? i spent a few hours trying to make a set up for that track and got no where. starting to think its just bad game physics

Quote from: john_710 on November 06, 2017, 09:54:32 PM
also is Nevada even ride able? i spent a few hours trying to make a set up for that track and got no where. starting to think its just bad game physics

I can chain clean laps with a 250f, including whoops, SX triples and trippling through sections. It's controller setup, bike setup + practice.

I dont blame you if you dont want to share but im going to ask any way, Can you screen shot your suspention set up page for nevada?

There you go. Still bouncy somewhat, but can complete laps on fast lines consitently.

https://gyazo.com/b53d623e26689dd0722fbcff3abc8644

Quote from: Asdrael on November 06, 2017, 10:38:16 PM
There you go. Still bouncy somewhat, but can complete laps on fast lines consitently.

https://gyazo.com/b53d623e26689dd0722fbcff3abc8644

What are your best lap time with that setup Asdrael ? =)

No idea. So loaded up the game and ran a 1:14 flat first lap LOL.

Quote from: Asdrael on November 06, 2017, 11:01:57 PM
No idea. So loaded up the game and ran a 1:14 flat first lap LOL.

Ohh boi thats quick ! im at 1.17 but im starting to get a grasp on it. consistancy surely is a issue tho.

Just tryed out that suspension set up, it was not far from what i was trying but the difference is night and day. Thank you for sharing  :D

So, after some fucking hardcore practice i manged to do a 1.13.78 lap time but jeeez the woops befor the finishline and the corner after that 1 big tripple is horrible to do xD

I love Nevada, but I suck at the up and over after the first triple. Can't get it right..

Any videos of Nevada?

Quote from: тғc on November 07, 2017, 07:12:14 PM
I love Nevada, but I suck at the up and over after the first triple. Can't get it right..

you mean the one that is steep as a wall ? befor the actuall wall jump ? if its that one, yeah eather you hit it straight or you fuck up xD

Quote from: Sandbiter on November 07, 2017, 07:25:30 PM
Any videos of Nevada?

ill see if i can put in a half decent lap, and stick it up on youtube, my Ethernet is real fucking slow here so have some patience ^^

Quote from: Sandbiter on November 07, 2017, 07:25:30 PM
Any videos of Nevada?

BJ Slice put this up an hour ago ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGTZXhefQjA

Can't be bothered to embed  :-*

Some practice.

The man is 53 laps in... good job tho ! ;)

Oh that looks like a cool track!

I thought we were talking about real life scale whoops though? Those are tiny :o

Quote from: Asdrael on November 07, 2017, 07:35:37 PM
Some practice.

The man is 53 laps in... good job tho ! ;)

talking to me ? if you are, i need WAAAAAAY more laps then that. watching bj's video i dont understand how he can break so easly into that corner after the tripple.
unless i actually time the jump and hit with the front wheel alittle on the top, i wont stop in time at all =S

Any suggestions ?

Braking is always my problem in MXB too lol..

Quote from: Heathen on November 07, 2017, 07:56:50 PM

Quote from: Asdrael on November 07, 2017, 07:35:37 PM
Some practice.

The man is 53 laps in... good job tho ! ;)

talking to me ? if you are, i need WAAAAAAY more laps then that. watching bj's video i dont understand how he can break so easly into that corner after the tripple.
unless i actually time the jump and hit with the front wheel alittle on the top, i wont stop in time at all =S

Any suggestions ?

He is using OEMs with modified tyres, and most likely an even different front tyre from the pack that I sent him yesterday for testing. So dont take his video as a benchmark ;)

Quote from: тғc on November 07, 2017, 08:05:14 PM
Braking is always my problem in MXB too lol..

since b7 i also use the rear brake :D front brake 80% rear brake 60-65% and on the same trigger

Quote from: Asdrael on November 07, 2017, 08:08:26 PM

Quote from: Heathen on November 07, 2017, 07:56:50 PM

Quote from: Asdrael on November 07, 2017, 07:35:37 PM
Some practice.

The man is 53 laps in... good job tho ! ;)

talking to me ? if you are, i need WAAAAAAY more laps then that. watching bj's video i dont understand how he can break so easly into that corner after the tripple.
unless i actually time the jump and hit with the front wheel alittle on the top, i wont stop in time at all =S

Any suggestions ?

He is using OEMs with modified tyres, and most likely an even different front tyre from the pack that I sent him yesterday for testing. So dont take his video as a benchmark ;)

Aha i see, thats something i dont get, how will this be equal when it comes to race's ? like with everything som moddable, im just riding what the game gave me, and your OEM+tyres.

Rly need some guild lines for people to follow then when the racing starts to happen.

Quote from: philiaN on November 07, 2017, 08:11:30 PM

Quote from: тғc on November 07, 2017, 08:05:14 PM
Braking is always my problem in MXB too lol..

since b7 i also use the rear brake :D front brake 80% rear brake 60-65% and on the same trigger

60-60% on the "press" part then or ?

i actually use it 70% front 80% rear, to be able to lock and slide that ass ;D

Just saw your video Heathen, that's an OEM :p I was specifically trying to run laps with the stock bike and stock tyres haha

Quote from: Heathen on November 07, 2017, 08:38:14 PM
Aha i see, thats something i dont get, how will this be equal when it comes to race's ? like with everything som moddable, im just riding what the game gave me, and your OEM+tyres.

Rly need some guild lines for people to follow then when the racing starts to happen.

Currently the main obvious advantage of the OEM is that the weight repartition is more realistic (as of beta6, no idea if the stock weight repartition has changed in beta7); the suspensions work imo better; you can use the other tyres that I made which behave (once again, imo) more realistically but also allow to push a bit more.

It's true that you can build whatever ridiculous bike you want. But all files are open for all to see and check, and if a race host doesn't want to have a bike racing he just has to omit it from his server. Bike files are checked (to an extent) so you can't just pretend you have the same bike as everyone else but modify it.

Last racing event we had was only MX1 OEM. I made all of the physics for those and I can vouch they were all with correct values and in the same ballpark performance-wise (even if most prefered the KXF for some reason that still evades me).

Quote from: Asdrael on November 08, 2017, 08:34:23 AM
(even if most prefered the KXF for some reason that still evades me).

i tested every bike a lot, the crf had amazing suspension but washed out randomly when braking, seemed to rebound weird, the RMZ had a crazy rear wheel, sometimes it swapped and went all over the place, the Husky was quite decent and almost my choice, the YZF was the second best bike, it was quite stable with the right suspension settings and the kxf was like riding on rails, it was the less twitchy and most stable of them all, good traction off the curves, nice and stables on the braking bumps, etc.

The KXF is definitely on rails lol..

The only things I found weird after testing a few bikes is the 250 2 strokes wheelie like mad in 2nd gear, and the RM250 2 stroke never redlines.

KXFs are best in MX imo, but in SX, there are some other OEM bikes that can perform better. Just depends on how you setup the bike to the way you ride it and to the tracks demands.