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Title: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.1 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM 27.03.2017
Post by: Asdrael on January 29, 2017, 05:23:51 PM
>>> PLEASE READ THIS <<<
>>> CURRENT VERSION: BETA6  : v4.1 <<<


Shortcuts for the lazy, con't complain if you have no idea what's going on :p
Download links:
Yamaha 2 strokes YZ125 and YZ250 standard v4.0 (https://mega.nz/#!JJRhQbIJ!oiG4tYcGqMHmPU4r6i0XQROZN6pnX4_ABrLoiKmqdBA)
Yamaha 4strokes YZ250F and YZ450F standard v4.0 (https://mega.nz/#!sEowRBzC!2tDonv_fSZdzI_ZgsvrFuGrAkP0x1Hzqu1Md2W6xL00)

Yamaha 2 strokes YZ125 and YZ250 OEM v4.0 (https://mega.nz/#!BJRGUIqY!GnhVwgMQJcBnJwe2zrdxoaG5ki9Q8i3cx-x-bIuur1s)
Yamaha 4strokes YZ250F and YZ450F OEM v4.1 (https://mega.nz/#!oR4EmTjZ!HWP3lGC6TOgMd-MTUAvDVQGDnwVBO2aE-FaWIZbkClw)
Necessary Geo Tyre Mod (http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1451.0) for the OEM bikes to work.



[/b][/size]Here it is. The complete line of Yamaha's big offroad bikes, 2016 version – this means YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F.

(https://gyazo.com/75c12d3c0ae588dd5a575895485d5875.png)

(https://gyazo.com/346de7e092288df54b76a1cb8cf00b7e.png)

The initial 4 strokes model was created by ExtremeManiac (initial release here (http://forum.mxsimulator.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=30643)), and the 2 strokes model done by Benji_D. Both transfered to mxb by Stonerider with the help of Pacopastor. Credit goes to them for the fundation work!

The bikes have undergone extensive work and rework on different aspects of their physics implementation. This is why two different packs are being released.

You can download and enjoy both. They can coexist on servers, np. They are different variations on the same theme, and all count as different bikes for the game.


Standard pack

Work in the standard pack has focused on geometry. It is now, to the best of my knowledge and of all the data I could gather, 99% accurate for all 4 models.

         Fork: Accurate travel, rake angle, offset, trail, position, stock spring strength and preload within stock range. Weight positioned the best I could.
         Shock: Accurate travel, complete geometry including linkage system, position on chassis, stock spring length,  strength and preload within stock range.
         Chassis: Accurate wheelbase, weight positioning to accommodate new geometry.
         Suspensions: Slightly modified the values for the suspensions in the .cfg file so it works with the geometry.
         Rebound was compared to videos for average settings, while shock was adapted from MSM and other models.
         250, 250f, 450f engines: those are stock, copied from the MSM. Also stock: everything that has to do with the engine (ratios etc).
         125: Custom engine with 100% matching power curve, primary and secondary ratios, gear ratios. Brake torque and engine inertia downscaled from 250x stock values.
         Correct weight, spring and preload values, brake size and torque. The only thing missing is the blue smoke and the sweet sweet smell of premix.

Known issue: the 250 looks a tad off as it is directly converted from the 125. The geometry is exact, making the model look slightly stretched. Went with a special paint too.

You will find the 125 and 250F under the MX2 category. The 250 and 450F are under MX1.

In my opinion, the behaviour of those bikes is awesome. But try it for yourself. One thing I can say for sure as the owner of a 125YZ: yep, that's a 125YZ and it's fun as hell. Start saving for clutches. The 450F becomes usable, and actually pretty fun. Bits of advice: the 125 almost requires an analog clutches (yes you use it like a mofo in real life to get out of corners too). The 450F relies on good throttle control but you can (and will) power drift dozens of meters.

Download 2016 Yamaha Pack standard v4.0:

Yamaha 2 strokes YZ125 and YZ250 standard v4.0 (https://mega.nz/#!JJRhQbIJ!oiG4tYcGqMHmPU4r6i0XQROZN6pnX4_ABrLoiKmqdBA)
Yamaha 4strokes YZ250F and YZ450F standard v4.0 (https://mega.nz/#!sEowRBzC!2tDonv_fSZdzI_ZgsvrFuGrAkP0x1Hzqu1Md2W6xL00)


OEM Project pack

Ok peeps. This time it's personal. Gonna sound a bit pompous but damn, I worked hard on this, and I am extremely pleased with the results.

Made it as my personal goal to fit in ALL the factory values I could find. Weight? Check. Torque? Check. Brake disc size? Check. Hell, I even included the owner manuals of all bikes in their folder. Check it for yourself.

This means this OEM pack is basically the Standard pack with the following upgrades:

          Engines: All engine data incorporated, >98% accuracy on the dyno curves. 3 to 4 different engine maps based on suggested settings coming with Yamaha's GYTR Power Tuner for the 250f and 450f.
          Ratios: Primary, secondary, gearing ratios all exact and at stock settings + .cfg allows typical secondary drive ratio modifications.
          Weight and fuel: Weight and fuel capacity corrected for each model, including inertia.
          Brakes: Disc size (and associated torque) exact.
          Suspension settings: All the suspension settings have been expanded for realism. 20 clicks on everything (shock should be 30 for rebound but the engine limits it at 20).
          For convenience, I added 2 softer and 3 harder settings on everything (so your Standard pack setting +2 = your OEM setting). Surprise: every value is set to factory.
          Yes, the 450F has 5 clicks at the front in compression damping. Also increased the choice in rear spring strength for realism, and dialed in the exact strength and preload values.
          Tyres: I am going with Geo's Tyres latest update for this.. Check it out (v1.5).
          Basically the same grip as stock on dry terrain, but now rain changes something, sand feels like sand, and changing tyre compound makes some kind of sense (softer the tyre, the higher the grip but the higher the resistance. More grip? Lose that HP).
          The reason is, I am NOT going through the pain of adapting everything to see people fly over sand and puddles of mud, nonono. This is required! Download IN HIS THREAD HERE (http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1451.0)
          125: The 125 is exactly the same as the standard pack but uses GeoTyres now.

You can have a glimpse at the whole process in the Tutorial I posted earlier: Project OEM: BikeEd, EngnEd and .cfg for accurate factory specs (http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1546.0).

HOSTS AND PLAYERS BEWARE: Since the engines and tyres are different from what we normally do, I created new categories for this: "MX2 OEM" and "MX1 OEM". This will reduce bike selection clutter and provide a convenient wait to enable one type of bike or the other on a server. I fully intend those categories to be used only for bikes that have achieved full realistic value sets for both chassis and engine parts. Please do not throw random shit in it, I will be a major ass and do my best to prevent crap from going on to servers. Also, please keep it with GeoTyres for this purpose.

Shortly: this is freaking awesome. You can feel the engine difference; the tyres bring it to the next level when you change surfaces and conditions. And yes, bikes are competitive with the MSM in terms of engine, they just feel different. For example, the YZ250F is less "peaky" but a bit fuller than the MSM..

Download 2016 Yamaha Pack OEM v4.0/4.1:

Yamaha 2 strokes YZ125 and YZ250 OEM v4.0 (https://mega.nz/#!BJRGUIqY!GnhVwgMQJcBnJwe2zrdxoaG5ki9Q8i3cx-x-bIuur1s)
Yamaha 4strokes YZ250F and YZ450F OEM v4.1 (https://mega.nz/#!oR4EmTjZ!HWP3lGC6TOgMd-MTUAvDVQGDnwVBO2aE-FaWIZbkClw)
Necessary Geo Tyre Mod (http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1451.0) for the OEM bikes to work.



For what it's worth: 125 and 450F, both OEM. You might not see me riding anything else anymore, even in SX.



Enjoy! I put my heart and soul into this, I bled coffee. Let me know if mistakes slipped in.



Feedback welcome – especially if you prove me wrong on any value you'll find (within 1 or 2%, don't be an ass ;) )

>>> 18.03.2017 : VERSION 4.0 RELEASE : BETA6 PATCH <<<

- Chassis flex added
- 4 strokes now have different engine maps based on Yamaha's GYTR Power Tuner suggested settings

(https://gyazo.com/d628622ddfd17eea8d126791466fac73.png)
The bikes in this OEM package have been created following the industry standard. (http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1546.0)
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 2016 v2.0
Post by: pacopastor34 on January 29, 2017, 05:45:29 PM
I didn't already test it but all I have to say it's thank you. I play MXB because of the ability of ride bikes close to reality and did complete bike mods not just models, I would say thanks to stone for all the work he put importing the bike. Graphically it looks so nice. Can't wait to get home and give you a good feedback as you always do with me.
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 2016 v2.0
Post by: GDUBMX on January 29, 2017, 06:01:19 PM
thanks!! yes!!
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 2016 v2.0
Post by: StoneRider on January 29, 2017, 06:53:20 PM
Awesome man thank you !
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 2016 v2.0
Post by: Asdrael on January 29, 2017, 09:00:18 PM
This topic might be updated regularly... its title may even change... who knows ;)
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 2016 v2.0
Post by: Asdrael on January 31, 2017, 10:53:03 PM
Well I learned a lot. I also found out new stock values that I simply HAD to punch in. Sorry about updating it quite drastically so fast but I couldn't help it.

V2.1 CHANGELOG - FIRST POST UPDATED

- Correct Fork Offset (OEM value)
- "Correct" Fork weight balance
- Correct Linkage rod arm length (OEM value)
- Improved rear shock geometry and behaviour (including some .cfg changes).

To the best of my knowledge, there is not much more to add in terms of OEM values if you don't have either 3 weeks to do it or a CAD model. Let me know if anything is out of whack, I'll do my best to incorporate it.

In my opinion, this makes it not only the most realistic geometry-wise, but also in terms of in-game behaviour - making it both the most stable and best handling bike. Changing shock settings really has an effect on the behaviour of the bike. Try a new spring, it's a whooole newww wooorrrlllddd.

Download the YZF250 + YZF250 Geo'sTyres here: https://mega.nz/#!YIZFgB4b!M0GGUsUZetknC_vxL1N39LIvA_RjWOYdEC-gX4QqDoU

(shortcut if you had already downloaded previous version: the .cfg and .geom only here: https://mega.nz/#!NYRAFaQC!Je8U3EdYOuyBquuvDNNnaLELmq6SnXRFwVfOZtxx4Vc )

Bonus: geometry was imported and slightly touched (some frame values are different) for the YZF450 and it's now available!. Kudos to Sandbiter for the rev limiter!

Contains all the improvement of the 250YZF. For the curious:
- Rake angle increased to 27.3 from 27.1
- Trail increased to 119 from 117
- Wheelbase increased to 1480 from 1477
- some base settings changed to accomodate this and the added weight
- shock geometry is exactly the same.

Download the YZF450 + YZF450 Geo'sTyres here: https://mega.nz/#!JAxnlADZ!L800HLApTMZDuO2pvtxOybYLakj4k-S-esz4ZoT9LII

Feedback welcome - more than ever.
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 + YZF450 2016 v2.1
Post by: 𝖙𝖋𝖈 on January 31, 2017, 11:00:19 PM
Sounds amazing! Can't wait to try it tomorrow..

Are you planning on doing the same for the 2016 CRF? Hint hint ;)
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 + YZF450 2016 v2.1
Post by: Asdrael on January 31, 2017, 11:02:44 PM
Quote from: TFC on January 31, 2017, 11:00:19 PM
Are you planning on doing the same for the 2016 CRF? Hint hint ;)

Not right now, I have another project idea ;) Thing is, it takes quite a bit of time and I would like other people to try their hand at it (hence why I posted the tutorial, which is still a work in progress but I'll finish it soon). Otherwise, we'll end up with only slight variations of my geometry, which is a bit bland. Kinda like what I was hoping to see with the SX kit!

(PS: the YZF blows every bike out of the water imo, it's unreal. At one point I had to double check that I didn't have Geo's Tyres on).

Edit: normal tyres, I'm controlling powerslides no problem for 20+m. Stock setting too. I must have done something wrong somewhere :D
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 + YZF450 2016 v2.1
Post by: Vortex_Damien on January 31, 2017, 11:12:42 PM
While we are on the topic ;) add in the yz125 and yz250 from mxs aswell! will be sweet to shred some more 2 strokes
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 + YZF450 2016 v2.1
Post by: pacopastor34 on January 31, 2017, 11:16:52 PM
Quote from: Vortex_Damien on January 31, 2017, 11:12:42 PM
While we are on the topic ;) add in the yz125 and yz250 from mxs aswell! will be sweet to shred some more 2 strokes

+1250
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 + YZF450 2016 v2.1
Post by: Asdrael on January 31, 2017, 11:18:02 PM
Quote from: Vortex_Damien on January 31, 2017, 11:12:42 PM
While we are on the topic ;) add in the yz125 and yz250 from mxs aswell! will be sweet to shred some more 2 strokes

Quote from: Asdrael on January 31, 2017, 11:02:44 PM
I have another project idea ;)

Might be linked somehow.
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 + YZF450 2016 v2.1
Post by: GDUBMX on January 31, 2017, 11:40:49 PM
Weird things happened in my underpants after seeing this..  We need that netcode fix now!
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 + YZF450 2016 v2.1
Post by: pacopastor34 on January 31, 2017, 11:51:13 PM
Sorry, I wanted to give you back all your dedication in your feedback to all what I've done but I have to play MXB now...

So, all I have to say is:

(http://www.proyectofreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/tumblr_m9ox58y2H01qhy6fn.gif)


Edit: I tested the 250 in winchester with default settings, the bike looks so stable, sweet to ride and seems soooo fast. I felt fast....yes, me... So good work Ads.
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 + YZF450 2016 v2.1
Post by: Asdrael on February 01, 2017, 09:37:41 AM
Well... 2 new values found on a Wednesday morning (stuff related to shock spring). Problem is, it doesn't seem to fit anyway I put it. So, time for plan B. In case anyone is wondering how I try to to fill in the blanks:

(https://gyazo.com/d8bdecd98baf522884d1074039004aae.png)

Not sure I'll manage this time, starting to be sensitive down to 1mm putting things out of whack :(
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 + YZF450 2016 v2.1
Post by: Asdrael on February 01, 2017, 10:55:09 AM
FWIW - I give up with the shock values I found. The rear shock geometry V2.1 (released yesterday) looks like this, for the people familiar with BikeED: (Stock picture from Yamaha website of the bike standing up still overlayed with the BikeEd data).

(https://gyazo.com/07372fe8d2c5ce60bc865dcb865859dd.png)

Good eyes will notice that the Linkage connect a tad high to the frame, and the shock connect a bit too much to the right. This might be due to  Can't do much better than that sorry. I tried punching in the shock spring values I found, but there is no way I get a proper shock graph and travel at the same time. I'm going to try to align everything perfectly and run with the shock spring values I have. That means we'll have to settle for 95 accuracy there, sorry :/ The rest of the data / geometry points are all within 2% of where they should be. Update sometime next week with another surprise ;)
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 + YZF450 2016 v2.1
Post by: Vortex_Damien on February 01, 2017, 04:33:35 PM
can't wait for the "surprise" 2 stroke for life.. me and bad working on a surprise too ;)
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 + YZF450 2016 v2.1
Post by: Asdrael on February 01, 2017, 10:03:51 PM
For what it's worth. Re-redid the geometry with a new eye and my technique posted on the tutorial thread (http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1535.msg22444#new).

Down to 1px accuracy using the stock picture (1200 x 800px), with a normal dry sag in (35mm rear so 16.5° and 30mm front).

You can try zooming in.

(https://gyazo.com/ac40d0d3caed6d710c56557309fd816c.png)

The rear fender on the model is a tad short :p

Game loading now...
Title: Re: [beta5] YZF250 + YZF450 2016 v2.1
Post by: Asdrael on February 07, 2017, 12:49:49 AM
>>>MASSIVE UPDATE 07/02/2017 <<<
>>> PLEASE DELETE YOUR FORMER YZF250 AND YZF450 FOLDERS<<<
>>> AND PLEASE READ FIRST POST <<<
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: pacopastor34 on February 07, 2017, 03:08:18 AM
(http://i.makeagif.com/media/6-25-2014/2tOk3w.gif)
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Vortex_Damien on February 07, 2017, 05:32:32 AM
I love the way they handle, i think the normal maps need to be flipped and maybe a new spec map :D i love it tho! gj maybe even just edgesplit the model ;)
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on February 07, 2017, 10:31:06 AM
Quote from: Vortex_Damien on February 07, 2017, 05:32:32 AM
I love the way they handle, i think the normal maps need to be flipped and maybe a new spec map :D i love it tho! gj maybe even just edgesplit the model ;)

Thanks :) I'm not in charge of the model and skins, those were handed to me by StoneRider. I don't want to delve into 3D modelling and importing those in MXB, I'd rather spend time on the engine/chassis accuracy and leave the artistic work to more artsy people.
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Tristanmx on February 07, 2017, 06:35:46 PM
Bike grip and  turn feeling is just awesome ! I only think 125 and 250 2 strokes need more power ad 450 is a little bit too much powerful.... 250 4 strokes is just perfect ! best bike of the game !
Please give more power to the 125, like the rc 125 !!!
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Skunkie132 on February 07, 2017, 06:57:06 PM
Amazing job, wow, just wow, thanks so much.   ;D
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Skunkie132 on February 07, 2017, 07:02:59 PM
Sorry for double post, but the OEM link doesn't seem to be working?
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on February 07, 2017, 07:04:42 PM
Quote from: Skunkie132 on February 07, 2017, 06:57:06 PM
Amazing job, wow, just wow, thanks so much.   ;D
Thanks :) I hope you'll enjoy :)

Quote from: Tristanmx on February 07, 2017, 06:35:46 PM
Bike grip and  turn feeling is just awesome ! I only think 125 and 250 2 strokes need more power ad 450 is a little bit too much powerful.... 250 4 strokes is just perfect ! best bike of the game !
Please give more power to the 125, like the rc 125 !!!
Thanks for the feedback!
- The 450 is not "too powerfull" but it has other engine components that are a bit out of whack. Don't ask me why but I just spent all day testing, and I came out with a good solution. See next post for update.
- The 125 is actually spot on. I'll vouch for that, I own one.
- The 250 lacks a bit of kick. I'm working on that, but it most likely comes from parameters I do not understand. I tried engine inertia, engine braking, nothing seems to bring back the gnarl I was hoping for. One thing tho is that the 2 stroke sounds are not the best so the audio feedback is lacking. It is misleadingly quiet, but actually packs a decent punch.

Quote from: Skunkie132 on February 07, 2017, 07:02:59 PM
Sorry for double post, but the OEM link doesn't seem to be working?
Just took it down, had to update the 450. Back up in a sec.
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on February 07, 2017, 07:10:19 PM
>>> WHOOPS 24h PATCH <<<

Spent the whole day trying to figure out how to fix the 450 engine in the OEM version.

Long story short: I managed, here is the updated OEM pack : https://mega.nz/#!xAhjBSoD!0KARthSVZL19eXntFOVxXm0Ua9-8OnSbUrSawfs4OXY

If you already had downloaded it in the last 24h, you only need this : https://mega.nz/#!VMRiBbAa!13eDnBsQ3-6QdVHsU2XfTy5C51baEmgvQ_3SrOq-7dM which contains an .engn and the .cfg of the 450 OEM.

Why the patch?

The original MSM 450 is actually a supercharged 350. Messing around, I figured out that the engine inertia and brake torque ("engine breaking") was not giving proper results. So I updated the 450YZF OEM engine:
- engine inertia increased by 20%
- breaking torque increased with a more logical progression throughout RPM range.

Result: less brutality, more linearity in throttle response, the same raw power when full throttle, more engine breaking, more inertia of the engine. You'll find it easier to ride - more forgiving, but with a lot more potential. It's more of a tractor now... let it rev ;) (feels more like a heavy 250 that has a shitton of torque).

Appologies for the speedy patch to correct this, but I feel it's a game changer.

REALLY into feedback for this one!
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: 𝖙𝖋𝖈 on February 08, 2017, 08:49:00 AM
I haven't tried the above patch yet, but I'm already in love with the 2 strokes ;D.. We need more! Thanks for all the hard work bud.
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Ruubs on February 08, 2017, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: TFC on February 08, 2017, 08:49:00 AM
I haven't tried the above patch yet, but I'm already in love with the 2 strokes ;D.. We need more! Thanks for all the hard work bud.
I agree with Fats. Awesome work. Loving these bikes. Great to see you getting so involved in creating some good geoms. I just can't stand these stock 2 stroke sounds :(

Just like Damien said, there's something wrong with the normal and spec maps though. Not a big deal, they still ride great.
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: john_710 on February 09, 2017, 06:15:25 PM
Installed the stock bikes, OEM bikes and Tyres mod, None of the bikes work for me.


EDIT: fresh install worked! bikes are amazing btw
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on February 09, 2017, 06:59:18 PM
I have just done a fresh reinstal of the pack and the tyre mod. Everything works here so I don't know... make sure it's in your /bikes folder for the bikes and the /tyres folder for the GeoTyres. If needed, delete the bikes before reinstalling them (don't try overwriting, it bugs out). More than that, I don't know, sorry.
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: CSchmied986 on February 10, 2017, 11:31:05 PM
Love the bikes!! Would be sick it 125 had the 96cr engine though  8) Any thoughts on updating the model to yzmxer608's updated version? In my opinion it is way better quality with more options, and resembles to 2017 Factory bikes. Or maybe just add that as an option .edf? This is the model im talking about and a reference to the Factory Yamaha bike. Would be great before people start making a bunch of skins for the old model.  ;D

http://forum.mxsimulator.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=43937

(http://www.motoxaddicts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2017-Monster-Energy-Yamalube-Chaparral-Yamaha-Financial-Services-Yamaha-6.jpg)
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: BadStar on February 11, 2017, 12:31:28 AM
My apologies if this has been discussed or maybe I am just missing something..


I really like this pack and was excited to ride the YZ125... but the 1st person cam is set waaay to far forward and all I can see is the tip of the fender?
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on February 11, 2017, 11:54:25 AM
Quote from: NorCal 986 on February 10, 2017, 11:31:05 PM
Love the bikes!! Would be sick it 125 had the 96cr engine though  8)

The YZ engine is as close as I could make it to a real 125 engine. It has 34hp at the rear wheel, just like a 201X YZ 125. The 125CR engine is great, but it has 48hp at the rear wheel, which is basically what a 250 2stroke has.

This YZ model does look great - but I'm not into porting stuff in. I was given the models ported in by StoneRider so I could work on geometry and how far I could take this "OEM" idea and build a tutorial around it. Working on physics is more my thing than the artsy stuff. But hey, if someone ports them in properly I can help with the .geom ;)

Quote from: BadStar on February 11, 2017, 12:31:28 AM
I really like this pack and was excited to ride the YZ125... but the 1st person cam is set waaay to far forward and all I can see is the tip of the fender?
My fault! Didn't check "chest cam" for the 125. Please open your yz125.geom file with Notepad and try to find this line:
t-cam = 7.99049e-011, 1.44832, 0.406376
And replace it by:
t-cam = -7.26384e-013, 1.40936, 0.013251

Let me know if it's better, I'll include it in the next update.
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: CSchmied986 on February 11, 2017, 05:07:38 PM
Ah, when i looked ant the ENGN file it said 34HP, so i thought thats what it had, but yeah, 48 is obviously way too much. I love your yz125 model, the only thing i would say is that it seems to make all of it's power by torque in the low to mid range and when riding a 125 you would think you need to keep it near the top level of the rpm's for best performance. And maybe Stone will be so kind as to import the new Yamaha model  8) I'm also looking for someone who wants to try and import these wheels to replace the stock wheel .edf, because being so busy in my career, i just don't have the time to learn.

(https://i.imgsafe.org/f36bb1ae3e.png)
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: GDUBMX on February 11, 2017, 08:58:53 PM
is there a fix for the 125s dogshit 1st person cam?
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on February 11, 2017, 09:14:19 PM
... look 2 posts up :p I overlooked the chest cam when fixing the geom, my bad. Let me know if it's better like this.
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: GDUBMX on February 11, 2017, 09:18:03 PM
nice one mate, yeah its spot on!
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on February 11, 2017, 09:19:36 PM
Warning: no idea if it's going to kick you from the server. Might, since it's the geom file you are messing with.
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: HornetMaX on February 11, 2017, 10:37:38 PM
Quote from: Asdrael on February 11, 2017, 09:19:36 PM
Warning: no idea if it's going to kick you from the server. Might, since it's the geom file you are messing with.
I'm pretty sure it will.
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: 2tfanatic on February 12, 2017, 05:52:39 PM
I was wondering why the view of the 125 is so zoomed in, is there any fix?
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: GDUBMX on February 12, 2017, 06:16:59 PM
Quote from: Rhyveeo on February 12, 2017, 05:52:39 PM
I was wondering why the view of the 125 is so zoomed in, is there any fix?

Quote from: Asdrael on February 11, 2017, 11:54:25 AM
Quote from: NorCal 986 on February 10, 2017, 11:31:05 PM
Love the bikes!! Would be sick it 125 had the 96cr engine though  8)

The YZ engine is as close as I could make it to a real 125 engine. It has 34hp at the rear wheel, just like a 201X YZ 125. The 125CR engine is great, but it has 48hp at the rear wheel, which is basically what a 250 2stroke has.

This YZ model does look great - but I'm not into porting stuff in. I was given the models ported in by StoneRider so I could work on geometry and how far I could take this "OEM" idea and build a tutorial around it. Working on physics is more my thing than the artsy stuff. But hey, if someone ports them in properly I can help with the .geom ;)

Quote from: BadStar on February 11, 2017, 12:31:28 AM
I really like this pack and was excited to ride the YZ125... but the 1st person cam is set waaay to far forward and all I can see is the tip of the fender?
My fault! Didn't check "chest cam" for the 125. Please open your yz125.geom file with Notepad and try to find this line:
t-cam = 7.99049e-011, 1.44832, 0.406376
And replace it by:
t-cam = -7.26384e-013, 1.40936, 0.013251

Let me know if it's better, I'll include it in the next update.
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: 2tfanatic on February 12, 2017, 07:51:11 PM
Does it work for the 250 2 stroke?
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on February 12, 2017, 08:10:33 PM
Yes, same geometry base.

I will update those bikes (and probably more ;) ) on wednesday so I am in time for the GTX server update. I'm still interested in feedback, even on the "new" chest cam view with teh new geom coordinates..
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on February 14, 2017, 11:54:23 PM
>>> VERSION 3.1 RELEASE : VALENTINE'S PATCH <<<

Wanted to get this out before Wednesday. Few fixes, some improvement, some realism adjustements and compromises. Shouldn't need to update this pack further, unless it's to revert something I messed up. As usual, feedback welcome - try to break this :p

Fix: The YZ125 and YZ250 Chest Cams should now be usable.
I had messed up the TCam settings in their respective ;geom file.

Improvement: The air filter of the YZ250 has been cleaned. Expect more kick and overall more power.
Lowered the engine inertia by 20%. Found more dynos that led me to think the first one I used had an asthmatic carburator (not that I have anything against asthmatics, but the engine has 2 to 3hp more between 5500 and peak rpm.). Overall behaviour more 2 strokes like.

Realism adjustments and compromises 1: Finally found the information I wanted on horizontal weight distribution (http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1553.0). Applied realistic front/back weight distribution to all bikes (Std and OEM packages). That's 51 to 53% rear bias depending on model. As a compromise for ridability, the rider weight has been placed above the bike's center of gravity.
This means your rear sag will be a tad high dry, and a tad low with rider on the 4 strokes. For some reasons, not on the 2 strokes. Can't figure out why.  The 4 strokes love their 40mm dry rear sag. The new rider position also means rider body movement is more important. As there was a 52 FRONT bias before, like a road bike this changes, in my eyes, alleviates the "is this a roadbike on dirt?" issue, as well as the massive front bottoming out issue in SX.

Realism adjustments and compromises 2: The bikes' center of gravity has been lowered slightly depending on their engine weight. We are not talking much, but sufficiently too feel it.
Expect more predictable rear end movement when braking / accelerating, more stability overall, but also a lesser tendency to lose balmance in SX.

The changes in weight distribution - in my opinion - reduce the random front / rear end loss, makes it feel like you are riding more of a dirt bike, and give overall more control over the bike.

If you already had downloaded the pack, this should suffice - download and overwrite your previous files (all geoms, some cfg and an engine): https://mega.nz/#!cNYhGLIQ!qsxu6DQ1kPNSJpu0UnXF5w-gZ3AuaBCZVk9jrDGq2Mw

Std pack v3.1: https://mega.nz/#!MJAFXZga!yqNU3V0JSgdVzMzqn2BfP4pxbHD7Hbv_x-xiLwp2SZ8

OEM Pack v3.1: https://mega.nz/#!xcZVkJxK!_tUHKZtqvlHUZmDwmneEM52O-RDPZt1YeA3gTHlG-2U
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.1 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on February 28, 2017, 07:48:09 PM
>>> VERSION 3.2 RELEASE : CARNIVAL TIME<<<

I messed up. Somehow, in the geom building stage of the 4 strokes, I took the wrong save and kept working on it as if it included changes it did not. Long story short - the rear shock wasn't properly anchored to the frame, causing rear wheel issues (if you rode the 450F you know what I mean).

Fixed it - and included the changes on the 250F as well even though the issue was less prevalent.

(Also cut down the file format so people can update easier. The 2 strokes are unchanged but I uped their version to 3.2 so I don't get lost any further :p.)

v3.1 to 3.2 update patch (only geoms of the 4 strokes, only change): https://mega.nz/#!JJ4mnBAb!XPTzqGN-XI1acGUAjbmgj7_scx6TExJMW54FbiAGhPs

4strokes standard v3.2: https://mega.nz/#!kN4B1ZAB!CY1puNwYnO61Xku512TM90ymXiaY3evO2JVlxa00RV0

4 strokes OEM v3.2: https://mega.nz/#!ddpUTCwL!5KLEC1vG4VMFUk7C3PKq3rm8Rm-b9fsw6vgDWarexK4

Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.2 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Andersson#198 on March 14, 2017, 06:17:05 PM
Cant see the OEM bike in game? Pls help. Just a empty stand and the rider :/
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.2 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: 𝖙𝖋𝖈 on March 14, 2017, 06:44:36 PM
While the OP could have made it clearer, it does say under the 'Tyres' description of the OEM bikes that you NEED to download them..
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.2 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on March 14, 2017, 07:06:52 PM
Quote from: TFC on March 14, 2017, 06:44:36 PM
While the OP could have made it clearer

I was hoping people would read. Hoh well. OP updated for clarity :P
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.2 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Andersson#198 on March 14, 2017, 07:22:36 PM
Shit didnt see, im suck at reading lol. sorry haha. thanks guys!
Title: Re: [beta5]2016 Yamaha Pack v3.2 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: HornetMaX on March 14, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
Quote from: Asdrael on March 14, 2017, 07:06:52 PM
I was hoping people would read.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/017/668/Mao_RTFM_vectorize_by_cmenghi.png)

But even then, people will just not read :)
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on March 18, 2017, 10:48:17 AM
>>> 18.03.2017 : Beta 6 update : Yamaha Pack v4.0 <<<

Here is the Yamaha 2016 motocross range updated for Beta 6.

Standard bikes
OEM bikes

Download links:
Yamaha 2 strokes YZ125 and YZ250 standard v4.0 (https://mega.nz/#!JJRhQbIJ!oiG4tYcGqMHmPU4r6i0XQROZN6pnX4_ABrLoiKmqdBA)
Yamaha 4strokes YZ250F and YZ450F standard v4.0 (https://mega.nz/#!sEowRBzC!2tDonv_fSZdzI_ZgsvrFuGrAkP0x1Hzqu1Md2W6xL00)

Yamaha 2 strokes YZ125 and YZ250 OEM v4.0 (https://mega.nz/#!BJRGUIqY!GnhVwgMQJcBnJwe2zrdxoaG5ki9Q8i3cx-x-bIuur1s)
Yamaha 4strokes YZ250F and YZ450F OEM v4.0 (https://mega.nz/#!4ABBBbgT!738u7_DgOofIa40t_1lVoe9r7nGYXVANobQzQgc5ngY)
Necessary Geo Tyre Mod (http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1451.0) for the OEM bikes to work.
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: 𝖙𝖋𝖈 on March 18, 2017, 10:49:15 AM
Thanks for all the hard work mate ;)
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on March 18, 2017, 10:50:16 AM
Quote from: TFC on March 18, 2017, 10:49:15 AM
Thanks for all the hard work mate ;)

My pleasure :) Wait until you try all the maps on all models... it's subtle, but I do have a different favorite in different settings. And chassis flex.... mmmm
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: 𝖙𝖋𝖈 on March 18, 2017, 11:11:33 AM
What do you think of the chassis flex? Noticeable? If so what does it do?
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on March 18, 2017, 11:22:47 AM
Quote from: TFC on March 18, 2017, 11:11:33 AM
What do you think of the chassis flex? Noticeable? If so what does it do?

I ran some tests - albeit not for a long time - with the exact same bike I have a lot of experience riding with and without flex.

In my opinion, it gets more noticable the rougher the terrain, in particular when it's choppy because of deformation. It feels like a "vibration dampener". Somewhat helps with keeping traction front and rear in rough conditions. Bike is less twitchy and slides feel more controlable, both front and rear (I can powerslide on the YZF450 in entire flat curves, even when bumpty -think FTT- no problem now).
If I read the .cfg parameters corretly, I think it's implemented more or less as an extra suspension where the actual suspension pivot point is.

Then again, I could be talking out of my ass and it could all be placebo.

Hoh and I just realized that combining different maps with different gearings is... interesting. Something you feel too weak or too hard can be compensated, the amount of different behaviour is nuts.
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: CSchmied986 on March 18, 2017, 06:35:59 PM
Nice! Hope to see an update for the KXF soon!
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on March 18, 2017, 06:40:13 PM
Quote from: NorCal 986 on March 18, 2017, 06:35:59 PM
Nice! Hope to see an update for the KXF soon!

Where is this middle finger emote again... ;)

Doing the RMZ right now, KXF is next.
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on March 18, 2017, 06:56:03 PM
A MISTAKE WAS MADE

That'll teach me to do engine mapping at 2am drunk. Please re-download the 4strokes OEM, the 450f maps weren't linked correctly.

Here is the corrected pack DL link: https://mega.nz/#!4ABBBbgT!738u7_DgOofIa40t_1lVoe9r7nGYXVANobQzQgc5ngY
(I also just fixed the links in the first post and in my Beta6 post).

Sorry about that. I don't promise I won't drink again, I just promise I'll triple check sober :p
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.0 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM
Post by: Asdrael on March 27, 2017, 10:17:32 PM
>>> 27.3.2017 : SHAKDATASS PATCH 450 OEM - YZF OEM v 4.1<<<

Did some extensive testing after having been made aware of somes issues pushing the 450f OEM, the rear being extremely uncontrolable when braking and at low speeds, severly limiting corner entry speed and giving a "tipitoe" feeling when below 3rd gear. Issue found and fixed.

Changes only in the 450f engine files: braking torque reduced, back to MSM values.

Engine files to drop in your YZF450 OEM folder: YZF450OEM v4.1 patch (https://mega.nz/#!ZQo0yAyS!3muuV3bKrF5iDTYQ1_a_rvJ3BazQniaxY3FL6kcG9yM) (<- you only need this if you already had the pack. Don't forget to delete when comes the time to OneStopSync your files).

Complete YZF OEM pack v4.1: 2016 Yamaha YZF OEM pack v4.1 (https://mega.nz/#!oR4EmTjZ!HWP3lGC6TOgMd-MTUAvDVQGDnwVBO2aE-FaWIZbkClw) (all in .pkz already).

Reminder: OEM bikes need Geo's Tyres (http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1451.0) to work.

The non OEM and 2 strokes stay the same.

Please direct general feedback on the OEM changes to this thread: http://forum.mx-bikes.com/index.php?topic=1666.0 ; and keep the model specific here ;)
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.1 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM 27.03.2017
Post by: Twitch135 on April 03, 2017, 06:25:28 PM
Thanks for the hard work. I'm loving these bikes.
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.1 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM 27.03.2017
Post by: fergonpe on April 10, 2017, 11:16:25 PM
hi guys,

I just download everything and it doesn't work.

I download the 2 files and the  Geo'tyres. the only thing I see is an empty stand and the rider. can you help me and say me what I'm doing wrong?

Thank you in advance for the support.
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.1 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM 27.03.2017
Post by: Asdrael on April 10, 2017, 11:38:40 PM
Please make sure Geo Tyres are in your MXBikes/tyres folder and the bikes in the MXBikes/bikes folder.

If you downloaded and installed properly, it should work. Note the "s" at tyres and bikes ;)
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.1 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM 27.03.2017
Post by: bikelife_shaw on August 27, 2017, 10:48:20 PM
for some reason my game won't start when i install any OEM bike...
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.1 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM 27.03.2017
Post by: Asdrael on August 29, 2017, 02:08:22 PM
Unless you have a corrupted DL, I don't see how OEM bikes can cause the game to crash. Sorry. Try embarrassing after a fresh download.
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.1 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM 27.03.2017
Post by: Forerrific on September 18, 2017, 06:32:22 PM
Hi, is there a way to supermoto these? Really good work tho
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.1 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM 27.03.2017
Post by: Asdrael on September 18, 2017, 07:45:39 PM
If someone wants to, you have to mount SM Wheel on those and possibly change the gear ratios. Won't do it this time round tho. I think Jose has a huge SM Pack, you might want to check it out.
Title: Re: [beta6]2016 Yamaha Pack v4.1 - YZ 125, 250F, 250, 450F - Std + OEM 27.03.2017
Post by: Forerrific on September 18, 2017, 11:03:33 PM
yes i already have downloaded it... i tried mounting sm wheels by changing the .cfg by pointing the wheels to the sm_wheels file but i just made the game crash so...