Totally stole the idea from the mxs forum. But thought it could be cool to have a place to discuss the ongoing supercross season and everything that comes with it. So, discuss! 8)
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO DUNGE!!
Roczen is gonna be out a loonnnnggg time, when do you think we will see him back? I predict a1 2018, gutted for Kenny. He had this championship locked up imo
I've never watched an entire season before but so far I've seen every race, really sucked in. Great to see Reed still riding! Enjoyed seeing Baggett get some time at the front too. Not a fan of Tomac, don't know why, great rider. Not really got a favorite, just like to see battles, underdogs, people surprising etc..
Don't know much about Malcolm but why is he always a lapper? Thought he was very competitive..
Quote from: TFC on March 25, 2017, 09:52:34 AM
Don't know much about Malcolm but why is he always a lapper? Thought he was very competitive..
Rookie 450 season mate, was the 2016 east coast supercross 250 champion and decided he was gonna skip the outdoor nationals. (he suffered bad kidney/hydration issues in 2015 which sidelined him bigtime)
he is a great rider and has alot of supercross skill, properly top 3 in the world at whoops. Reed,James Stewart and Malcom are arguably the best in the world at whoops :)
People speculate thats why he didnt get a 450 ride until 3 weeks after Anaheim 1, so lack of preparation and seat time on a suzuki and his fitness = lapped haha.
Shame cus i am (turning was) a stewart fan boy.
Rumours circulating the James Stewart wont be back, or will be back for monster cup on a honda.
I'm excited to see the rest of the season with Tomac's insane push. It's unbelievable how good that guy is right now.
I still think Dungey is the most boring guy to watch (although he's actually made passes this year, wuwu). Since Roczen crashed, my interest in the series dwindled. Tomac does nothing for me, so I'm just watching Reed (who crashes as soon as the announcers say "Reed is having a great night!") and Musquin, whose way to ride is mesmerizing.
Quote from: Asdrael on March 25, 2017, 01:19:33 PM
I still think Dungey is the most boring guy to watch (although he's actually made passes this year, wuwu). Since Roczen crashed, my interest in the series dwindled. Tomac does nothing for me, so I'm just watching Reed (who crashes as soon as the announcers say "Reed is having a great night!") and Musquin, whose way to ride is mesmerizing.
haha i noticed that about Reed, its usually when RC is talking about him :D
Tomac is a bit robotic but he is laying it down hard man, RVish almost with his turns.
Quote from: Asdrael on March 25, 2017, 01:19:33 PM
Tomac does nothing for me
He's pretty damn boring with everything except racing.
Speaking of 2017 sx.. I am pretty jealous of what MXvsATV Encore (ON XBOX ONE not pc) is doing.. they are releaseing the replica 2017 tracks the day of the SX per every race this year.. man that would be cool on something like mxb
Quote from: BadStar on March 25, 2017, 08:02:31 PM
Speaking of 2017 sx.. I am pretty jealous of what MXvsATV Encore (ON XBOX ONE not pc) is doing.. they are releaseing the replica 2017 tracks the day of the SX per every race this year.. man that would be cool on something like mxb
ditto, def would be cool man. we just need someone to build all the heightmaps, someone to do just objects, hahah someone with time, no kids, no commitments.. :D
Quote from: GDUBMX on March 25, 2017, 08:33:38 PM
Quote from: BadStar on March 25, 2017, 08:02:31 PM
Speaking of 2017 sx.. I am pretty jealous of what MXvsATV Encore (ON XBOX ONE not pc) is doing.. they are releaseing the replica 2017 tracks the day of the SX per every race this year.. man that would be cool on something like mxb
ditto, def would be cool man. we just need someone to build all the heightmaps, someone to do just objects, hahah someone with time, no kids, no commitments.. :D
I was actually thinking about making a jump template in 3ds max. It would be very easy to put the jumps in the right spot, change its scaling, maybe even change the jump itself a little bit for each round etc. I'd then render a heightmap from that. That's how JamieT does it for his Reflex tracks. Great method IMO.
Just gotta find the time and fun to trial and error to get the damn right sizes/slopes/angles, because it's freakin hard to make jumps in this game! :o
Luckly southwick doesn't have any proper jumps.
Quote from: Midbeck on March 25, 2017, 02:02:32 PMHe's pretty damn boring with everything except racing.
Tbh, even with racing. I don't ever remember seeing a race with him and think "holy crap that's great" - he's fast no doubt, probably the fastest SX rider today (at least in the healthy ones) but I just don't get thrilled when I see him ride. Same with Dungey. I like riders that are clean, but sometimes you'll just think "how the HELL did he think of that to make the pass and how did he make it work?" or "is he ignoring the laws of physics?".
So far, in my opinion, the racing hasn't been great as we have rarely had close calls. For once, I think Dungey was amazing at Daytona, same for Martin. Musquin remains entertaining to watch as he really has his own style and I had high hopes Webb would stir things up after Roczen crashed, but once again the tracks are too technical and dangerous to provide a good full year. Sure, A1 is packed 15 championships combined on the grid bla bla and 5 rounds later, half of the top 3 contenders are injured :/
Quote from: Sandbiter on March 25, 2017, 09:21:21 PMI was actually thinking about making a jump template in 3ds max. It would be very easy to put the jumps in the right spot, change its scaling, maybe even change the jump itself a little bit for each round etc. I'd then render a heightmap from that. That's how JamieT does it for his Reflex tracks. Great method IMO.
Just gotta find the time and fun to trial and error to get the damn right sizes/slopes/angles, because it's freakin hard to make jumps in this game! :o
I did that with my SX kit - sure the jumps are far from perfect but it works. It's just that if you want to make a good track, each rhythm has to be ridden several times with different bikes to check how they work, and you won't get away comfortably with copy and pasting the same jump sadly :/
Quote from: Asdrael on March 25, 2017, 09:26:00 PM
Quote from: Midbeck on March 25, 2017, 02:02:32 PMHe's pretty damn boring with everything except racing.
Tbh, even with racing. I don't ever remember seeing a race with him and think "holy crap that's great" - he's fast no doubt, probably the fastest SX rider today (at least in the healthy ones) but I just don't get thrilled when I see him ride. Same with Dungey. I like riders that are clean, but sometimes you'll just think "how the HELL did he think of that to make the pass and how did he make it work?" or "is he ignoring the laws of physics?".
So far, in my opinion, the racing hasn't been great as we have rarely had close calls. For once, I think Dungey was amazing at Daytona, same for Martin. Musquin remains entertaining to watch as he really has his own style and I had high hopes Webb would stir things up after Roczen crashed, but once again the tracks are too technical and dangerous to provide a good full year. Sure, A1 is packed 15 championships combined on the grid bla bla and 5 rounds later, half of the top 3 contenders are injured :/
No way man!! Im no Tomac fanboy but you cannot say he does nothing to make you say holy crap
Dude, go back to first 5 motos of 2015 outdoors:
https://www.youtube.com/v/Jb7MChMJvic&t=50s
then there was this:
https://www.youtube.com/v/5pYCDPZyz0w
Exactly GDUB, tomac is the guy who gives you "holy crap" moments on a regular basis.
Last night was why I'm not interested in Tomac. Sure he's a great rider, but after the first lap he didn't get any coverage until he crossed the finish.
There's way more to racing than being fast. I think we've seen Tomac make up some places but Dungeys excelled at that this season.. Again note this is the only season I've ever watched consecutively..
I felt bad for Milsaps, he did a great job fending off Dungey, maybe he didn't have the stamina to keep it up but that for me was far more exciting to watch than someone who has a 10 second plus lead every race.
I'd rather watch a good battle for 2nd or 3rd any day.
thanks for the spoiler... LMAO ::) ::) ::) :-X
Well hey, just discussing :)
Shall we hold off talking about races until Monday morning? :P
Quote from: TFC on March 26, 2017, 03:00:45 PM
Well hey, just discussing :)
Shall we hold off talking about races until Monday morning? :P
lol there is an unsaid rule between me and 5 mates who text about sx/mx, we all text eachother after the race to say we watched it until the last guy texts then we talk! but fuck it, whos to know. i got it downloaded just haven't watched past the 250 heats yet.
Midbeck: Add a spoiler alert to the topic title mate for folks :D
This is grazy.
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Quote from: Midbeck on March 25, 2017, 08:23:59 AM
Totally stole the idea from the mxs forum.
Great idea! 8) Just don't let DDavis know this is here. :P
I'm so bummed! I've been robbed of my annual tradition(no, not 4/20 lol)...hopefully next Thursday....
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That's why I like ET3 because he is giving it all to make something happen. He is so exciting to watch although there is so much risk though but you won't win if you don't bet. Man he looked like a man possesed and turned into a monster destroying everyone who gets his way. Truly an explosive rider.
ET3 is on another level right now, he made dungey look silly :o
Yeah Tomac rocks. That was an awesome comeback. This championship is so close it's a nail bitter. Haha! Lites class I was glad to see Hill win the West Coast Championship, although Plessinger was making a good comeback.
I don't think it's close at all.. Seen this coming for about a month and a half.
Tomac rides great but I don't like him.. Wanted Dungey to step up but that's clearly not going to happen!
Tomac is clearly faster and has been dominant the last half of the season. I already said he did nothing for me. But after seeing him pass Dungey by running him high and then brake checking him, while Dungey passed high back leaving enough room for two bikes, I can now say I don't like him. At least it renewed my interest in the championship! Hope Dungey wins it, even if it is unlikely now.
+1 to that Asdrael..
That and he puts his goggles back on around his neck backwards for the post race press conference.. goon.. A fast goon but a goon none the less ;D
Just watched this week SX, awesome! I have been for years and still am rooting for Tomac. Hope he gets what he deserves this year and Dungey doesn't win again. That was a pretty sweet ride from the back in Salt Lake City :)
Quote from: teeds on April 28, 2017, 02:31:39 PM
Just watched this week SX, awesome! I have been for years and still am rooting for Tomac. Hope he gets what he deserves this year and Dungey doesn't win again. That was a pretty sweet ride from the back in Salt Lake City :)
not a tomac fan but he is growing on me. Showing dunge whos boss like in 15' outdoors. So cool to see someone stick it to dungey though. hope he wins the title,would be a shame if dungey retires though. I guess he's afraid of the potential points chase and maybe 3 main event races for 2018 SX.
What the hell is so wrong with Tomac? He flogs a bike like no other since JS7. Dungey is not registering a pulse, even when he is being owned by Eli. He has way too many stock responses during interviews making him boring. I totally respect his consistency and ability to not get suckered into throwing away the whole season on what he would consider unnecessary risks. That's where Eli sends it and walks away from him. Not liking J-Law would be more understandable. You can dislike whomever, but it seems kinda unfounded. /endrant
Nothing's really wrong with Tomac, I don't have a favorite rider, there is no one I want to see win specifically, and I guess because I want to see some great racing and tight battles Tomac just hasn't ticked that box for me yet. He dominates really well, but I've not seen anyone give him trouble.
I'm also not that fussed by a riders off track personality. A complete arsehole who can race well and clean is still a good watch.
Dungey on the other hand, I had more time for him before he got stuck behind Reed. Sure it was a dick move on Reeds part, but it shouldn't have held him up as long as it did.
250 has been kind of more interesting in some ways.
Ken Roczens injury was bad news for this years racing, would be great to see him and Tomac running close some more.
https://www.youtube.com/v/2mBjVF3b5rE
Man, remember the 250s back in 13 I think it was when it was eli vs roczen every weekend haha that was awesome. This Tomac surge is awesome and is long overdue. Totally agree Chet, Mr robot is just so bland it's unreal. At least eli will call it like it is. Remember back in Atlanta when he said the track was a joke with the sand wall then Dunge and marv both jumped on the wagon and said yeah, the trak sucked. We need a other allstar race this year like we did last year at Indiana. This time though let's gets rv, js, Reed, rc, MC, emigrate, tedesco, vulliemen
I don't see what's wrong with that though? If I was Musquin I would have done the same..
I thought it was kind of funny though, as if Musquin was easing off the last few laps and thinking 'why hasn't he gone by yet?' lol..
Not sure about Tomac, commentator saying he can't handle the pressure If the red plate but he's shown he can handle the pressure of being burried deep in the pack most weeks.. Either way feel sorry for him. It's like me in MXB, make one mistake then a load more follow I guess.
Haven't found the complete race and just watched the highlights. Was a night off for Tomac and a good night for Dungey it seems... but wtf Musquin hahah. This mistake doesn't seem very natural. Too bad, I really like how he rides and I wish he was just a tiny bit faster / more consistent to be a title contender.
*spoilers*
The way Tomac falls in the first laps is very soft, with the adrenaline there is no way he was really in pain. But he stills takes AGES to get back up and going, it's like he basically gave up. That's very wierd for a racer... I understand the pressure must be nuts, but I would have expeted him to jump back on it like a madman. Thought I was watching slowmo if it wasn't for the background bikes.
Would it have been as close if Roczen wasn't out?
Quote from: TFC on April 30, 2017, 05:14:29 PM
Would it have been as close if Roczen wasn't out?
The way he was riding before his crash I wanna say probably not, but we will never know. ;)
haha just watched, thanks Slicknick610 as always mate :)
but yeh, blatant musquin... come on.. honestly!! Tomac needs an electric start like the KTMs and Hondas
Well I really enjoyed that, except I watch on YouTube every Sunday morning.. Nothing was uploaded at first but then 1 video appeared. And the title of that first video named the champ so it was over for me before I watched. I'd managed to avoid spoilers all damn year. So pissed.
Anyway, can't wait for next year, and mx soon right?
yea...really good season....Osbourne's pass was cool too :)
Just watched the 250s.. ******* awesome!
What a SX season, best Las Vegas races I've seen in a while from both classes. Excited for outdoors in a couple weeks. :)
Great 250 race. The last pass was too aggressive in my books - not sure the guy passing the other would have kept it on two wheels if it wasn't for the extra berm size he used :p
The 450 race was pathetic from Tomac. Running Dungey high 3 times, brake checking him etc. It wasn't even aggressive passes, it was straight cutting ruts to try to make him fall and slowing dow to make sure it happens. I like the guy even less now. Props to Dungey for keeping it classy.
Was a great night for supercross, i was so happy for Zach to win, Savatgy threw it away after cheating last week. And sorry Asdrael, IMO there wasnt anything wrong with Tomac's riding, he was doing what he needed to do. How many millions of bucks were at stake? Grant even said on the podium he was trying to get dungey, and no doubt Reed was involved too in that situation. Reed was grants teamate, they are monster guys.. etc. Musquin cheated for Dungey last week which was fucking lame. Im not a fan of the American Hero image dungey has, i like underdogs, people who put their balls on the line,like tomac,webb,anderson,osbourne,etc. I will call one thing though.. If Dungey does do the outdoors and doesnt retire Tomac WILL destroy him this year (if he doesnt destroy himself) And remember im not a Tomac superfan, im a Stewart,Roczen and Webb fan. I just love see people take it to whoever is winning. hahah :D
I dunno.. Did Musquin really cheat?.. Underhanded maybe but cheat implies he broke a rule.. But I don't know, never watched a whole season before. Is there a rule about pulling over for teammates?
Asdrael, I think Osbornes pass was awesome. Yes it was heavy but he had no idea Savatgys bar was going to get caught up lol.. If it wasn't for that, I think Savatgy would have stayed on two wheels.
Osbourne pass was awesome, I'm not sure he (not Savtagy) would have stayed on two wheels if the kawi's tyres didn't help Osbourne turn tho :p
And Musquin's letting Dungey pass last week, yeah, not really a fair move but still something allowed. Seeing a guy cross 3 freaking ruts, aiming for a toughblock and intentionnally slowing down to grab wheels plain sucks. Sure, millions are on the line but it still sucks. If it takes that to win, sorry, you don't deserve it. And I wouldn't call Tomac an underdog, guy has been with HRC and then in Monster Kawi, arguably the two biggest MX/SX teams for most of his pro career. If you watch Dungey pass Tomac before the triple - that's a deserved pass. Tomac getting back to him after that was pathetic. I mean, three ruts trying to send the guy in the blocks, then slowing down, then turning to clearly block the way. Three shit moves in one turn, that's a new low. I still am no fan of Dungey for what it's worth (he was, until this season, a snoozefest to watch), but I respect the guy for racing clean as much as he can.
That's fair enough mate,all in all what ever our opinions it was a entertaining series, just a shame there isn't that craziness like 05-09 years, the rc, Reed, stew battles. Tomac rode for Geico in previous years which is still a pretty much factory effort. Hrc now used to be American Honda which was the factory team. Either way tomac has had the tools for a long time. I guess with the pressure of rv2s success for kawi eli had big boots to fill to get kawi that title. Man, now if only roczen kept in it.. That would of been cool
Man that's awesome you were there!
Ahh man that is really cool! Awesome.
That´s so amazing, it was a fantastic race! ;D
Beh, I'm jealeous. I wanna see a US SX really bad, and this one really was THE one to see. Hope you guys had fun!
Sounds really cool Geo, was really noble of you to meet up with them and be their American tour guides! haha. All because we all have one thing in common..Moto 8D
Me and my family have a trip planned for 4 years time to USA, haha we are not 100% sure on where to go yet, and we need to time it right so we can at least hit a national or supercross. I would love to go to North West, or North east. Just not bloody Orlando.. hahah
it was completly insane.... the best days of our lifes. i know that american poeple say this for everything and nothing but it's very very true for me and my lil brother. we are very close and since i can remember, come to US to see a AMA Supercross was our bigest dream. And we had the chance to be witness of one of the most, if this is not the most incredible races in history... The Sam Boyd stadium was tottaly on fire, i never saw something like that. It was fucking legendary... i can't thanks Geo enough for this..For me and my brother it was better than we could ever imagine.
Oh, and Vegas, and the Luxor, and the casinos, and the Jabbawockeez, and the monster girls, and the Hard Rock cafe, and the car, and the weed.... and that fucking awesome hat.
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And that quad was fucking HUUUUGE. We really don't realise how big this quad is? And the triple... that's insane
and that beer... ;D
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Brings back so many memories from when me and a couple of guys from the mxs forums organized a trip to the states in 2014, 2 weeks in San diego and ended it with supercross in Vegas. Best trip of my life, without a doubt. :D
Great to see you guys had a good time :)
Watched the Vegas race last night, you guys track side got a real treat eh! What a race it was in both finals. Dungey got the lead but could not keep it as per with Tomac on form, and Tomac was sandbagging to let him catch up to interfere lol. Lets face it if Tomac had disappeared while leading and let Dungey plod around to 2nd it would have been crap race. Can't take away from Dungeys success but i'd say he's the least exciting and talented guy to win that many championships.