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Title: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: AZDesertRat on March 03, 2020, 11:34:54 PM
Ruubs,

Since you're one of the best MXB riders I've seen I have to ask, what's the deal with the Rider L/R Lean being mapped to number pad 4 & 6 keys in your YouTube video? Do you have these mapped to specific buttons on your controller, perhaps Xbox Elite??  Just wondering if maybe digital input helps in some way with the 80% min/max smoothing setting (38 sec of video) to get quicker response or something.


Thanks,

Rat

Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: Resolute Kraken on March 04, 2020, 01:43:25 AM
Ruben doesn't use the rider left/right lean - he just maps them to those buttons.  So that pretty much throws the weighting the outside peg theory out the window to go fast.  I've tried not to use lean and I can't do it though.
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: Sparky783 on March 04, 2020, 04:36:06 AM
I dont use Rider lean either really, sometimes for whips and scrubs but it seems to just make me fall off in corners
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: LastFriday on March 04, 2020, 06:28:21 AM
Its all up to you. I don't use it either as I don't see a need. I have it unassigned because I can seat bounce a whip just fine without using the left/right lean. I will only use it like if im scrubbing real hard or something.
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: AZDesertRat on March 04, 2020, 04:57:26 PM
Thanks for the info folks, I'm sold:).  I've probably been over using the rider lean to my detriment, most notably on SX tracks where it's critical to hit the 1st jump in most sections as straight and stable as possible. Instead, like an incessant habit, I tend to reach for the bike lean in desperation while trying to correct entry/launch.  The results are never good but my son finds them to be quite comical, LOL. 


Rat
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: Ruubs on March 05, 2020, 06:08:09 PM
Resolute is right, I don't use rider left/right lean.
In some situations it'll be a plus to use it. However, in most cases it just throws me off. I think it's due to that I'm not used to it.
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: AZDesertRat on March 05, 2020, 07:40:41 PM
Gave this a try last night and found I was a lot more stable overall:).  The number of spastic, twitch reactions from trying to over ride like a moron were greatly reduced. In general I felt that I had much smoother more control of the bike, especially coming out of corners.  Thanks!


Rat 
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: Resolute Kraken on March 05, 2020, 10:47:03 PM
Now, the argument is, should it really be like this?  As a "simulator" should someone who sits stiff upright on a bike be able to have the same control as someone who uses their body weight?
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: Ruubs on March 06, 2020, 09:43:18 PM
Quote from: Resolute Kraken on March 05, 2020, 10:47:03 PMNow, the argument is, should it really be like this?  As a "simulator" should someone who sits stiff upright on a bike be able to have the same control as someone who uses their body weight?
No, someone who sits stiff upright shouldn't be able to have the same control and I don't think that's the case right now.
Using left / right rider lean does give you more control, and I wouldn't doubt it that if we really learn how to use the rider lean properly, we could use it to our advantage. However, I feel like rider left / right lean makes the game way more complex. This might not be a problem, but personally I don't want to spend the time learning how to properly control the rider as I don't have time for it.

There are some problems with the rider though. For one, standing up makes the bike less stable. Obviously that's due to a higher center of mass, and you could argue that we can counter the instability by using left / right rider lean. However, to make the bike more stable when standing up, the tiniest of rider movements are necessary. Due to MXB not being real life, we don't have the same feeling over the bike and terrain like we have in real life, thus using the rider left / right lean to counter the instability is practically impossible.
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: Resolute Kraken on March 06, 2020, 10:07:16 PM
I agree, standing stability should be improved, you can't expect a player to replicate innate human ability to balance with their thumbs - especially at slow speed.
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: holtergeist on March 16, 2020, 04:10:46 PM
i understand that two of the fastest guys in the game dont use rider lean, but imo that doesnt mean it cant and shouldnt be implemented correctly. i mean its a simulator and weighting the outside peg is used often in real life. in game, it certainly helps in flat corners. now, on tracks with berms, no you dont need to weight the peg becuase you can just sink into the berm and stay neutral on the bike. i would venture to say, even tho the fastest may not be using it, that does not mean that someone else couldnt implement rider lean to go even faster, or atleats to go just as fast. i think theres a fine line between to much weight to the outside peg and just enough. if you throw too much weight it actually prohibits you from cornering well. but like i said, imo, i think these guys are an anomaly and using rider lean does help in some (quite a few) situations. remember, theres a lot of factors that go into why these guys are fast (line selection, consistency) so that isnt to say that someone else cant be faster through a long left hand flat sweeper while getting on top the bike when cornering.
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: fridgedollar on March 17, 2020, 02:00:07 AM
Quote from: holtergeist on March 16, 2020, 04:10:46 PMi think theres a fine line between to much weight to the outside peg and just enough. if you throw too much weight it actually prohibits you from cornering well

personally i ride way better while using rider lean. i think this is an issue that people have, using the left stick in small increments to turn but always leaning fully to the left or right. pushing both sticks the same amount feels really good imo and i feel like i can rail corners harder than not using it at all
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: StoneRider on March 28, 2020, 08:52:27 AM
i do use the rider right left lean EVERYWHERE. like i just can't turn without it. i use it a lot in supercross too. for exemple in the last jump of a rythme section, JS7 style just miss the leg out :P
i think it's all about personnal preference. May be you're more consistent  without using it, but when you really control it, you also can do insane saves with it. Like get the rear traction back out of a corner after getting greedy on the throttle. And THAT's a good feelling :D
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: AZDesertRat on March 30, 2020, 04:51:17 PM
Well, even though disabling left/right rider lean did seem to help on SX layouts I turned it back on this past weekend.  I just find it does help me on certain corners of MX tracks. EX: long right hand banked turn on Ignite Compound.  I can pull the rider lean stick back and left with a hand full of throttle in 4th gear almost the entire turn, which helps maintain better overall speed.  Also think it helps in tight corner ruts as well if you lean forward but instead of weighting the outside peg you lean into the corner a bit.  Of course, could just be me thinking it helps because I'm so used to riding that way:).

Can't wait for the B14 release to see how the physics tuning notes change things, hopefully in a good way.


Rat
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: CBM Racing on April 07, 2020, 07:43:50 AM
Quote from: AZDesertRat on March 30, 2020, 04:51:17 PMWell, even though disabling left/right rider lean did seem to help on SX layouts I turned it back on this past weekend.  I just find it does help me on certain corners of MX tracks. EX: long right hand banked turn on Ignite Compound.  I can pull the rider lean stick back and left with a hand full of throttle in 4th gear almost the entire turn, which helps maintain better overall speed.  Also think it helps in tight corner ruts as well if you lean forward but instead of weighting the outside peg you lean into the corner a bit.  Of course, could just be me thinking it helps because I'm so used to riding that way:).

Can't wait for the B14 release to see how the physics tuning notes change things, hopefully in a good way.


Rat

I bet you were disappointed if you are talking about not using the lean button. Now in Beta 14 no matter what you do you tuck the front end at the slightest lean coming into the corners because the stiffened up the suspension so much to get rid of the bounce I don't think they realized how bad stiff front suspension is for cornering. The Pro racers give up so much in the corners just so the can skim the whoops and in order to do that, you have to have the stiffest suspension available. Stewart used to say all the time how he did that and look how fast he was in the whoops only problem here is you can't change it no matter how much ou mess with the suspensionsettings.
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: CBM Racing on April 08, 2020, 11:21:11 AM
I think it is just how you started to learn the game in the beginning whether you use it or not. I find sometimes I use it to weight the outer peg and others I use it to lean harder into a tight turn. Its all personal preference but in a simulator, you should be able to move the rider's body not just the bike. I just wish there was a setting to have your rider sit closer or further from the gas tank by default like MXSim has. Not all Riders sit directly in the center of the bike. In real life, I ride like RV2 I steer with the Rear Wheel so I naturally sit closer to the tank and its hard when you are in the middle of a Race to just slightly hold the stick forward everywhere.
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: CBM Racing on April 08, 2020, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: AZDesertRat on March 03, 2020, 11:34:54 PMRuubs,

Since you're one of the best MXB riders I've seen I have to ask, what's the deal with the Rider L/R Lean being mapped to number pad 4 & 6 keys in your YouTube video? Do you have these mapped to specific buttons on your controller, perhaps Xbox Elite??  Just wondering if maybe digital input helps in some way with the 80% min/max smoothing setting (38 sec of video) to get quicker response or something.


Thanks,

Rat



If you take an hour or two to test out all of those advanced settings you can change a lot. For instance, you can change the Front Brake so when you pull the trigger in all the way you are not braking as hard as the game allows or if you use combined brakes you can change when the rear brake starts to kick in and how much pressure you put on it. It is pretty interesting if you want to take the time to go through all the settings and keep a record of what they all do. There are a ton of combinations you can adjust.
Title: Re: Ruub's Control Settings Video??
Post by: Ruubs on April 08, 2020, 12:12:08 PM
My settings have changed a bit for B14.

In B14 I actually do use left/right rider lean because it makes the game a lot better. Way less slide outs and can power out of corners faster when using left/right rider lean.
Where in B13 I didn't use the rear brake once, I have to use it now on off camber turns and when braking on the face of a corner-jump.

For my left/right rider lean I do use a dead zone of 25% though. I don't want to accidentally lean the rider left or right when im just trying to lean forward.