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General Discussion / Re: MX Bikes beta3
May 08, 2015, 12:22:46 PM
I test this new Beta..

There some good improvement, like in jump, but the bike and rider work like a gpbikes too much yet... Sorry, but the rider have foam arm... Like he have no force in his arm... It feel like is the bike which interact with the rider, and not the rider witch interact with the bike. I think, the worst work to do, is on starting rolling bike and low speed stabilization, before to do other thing...

So keep working!  ;)
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Yes but it's a small moves... It could be move more i think. And what do you think that it could be move on sezt position, and to have move + lean sepratly? I thinks it could be very interesting....
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Quote from: TheFatController on October 13, 2014, 01:26:28 PM
Jlou, try turning 'wheelie help' off. This has stopped 90% of the nose dive I was getting early on.

I already play without help. I play with more rebond on front, and less on back.
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Very interesting discussion. And it will help me to explain what it could be... With my poor English... lol.... Even if i am not agree with all what is say, but i understand the different point of view, we can see there are globaly two opinion.. And i think we can classifie it in two category.. One of real MX rider and one for the other..

After this, i have take the time to have a closer look to see difference between MXS and MXB and Reality... So, when i have watching a replay in MXB, i have see a thing which I had not paid attention:
In MXB you cannot move your gravity center on the front or on the back of your seat/bike... Which you do in MXS... in MXS and in reality, for exemple, you can start seated on the back of your seatbike, or on the front with the Lean F/B joystick ( or other ).... In MXB, if you lean F or B, it's only the chest wich is moving...

Finally, i think the problem is here... There Lean F/B system work with the chest on MXB ( perhaps i simplified ), in MXS it work with the gravity center of the rider.
So we can tell this for the lean system in these two game:

MXbikes: Lean chest F/B system.. I Agree..
MXS: Move body/gravity point F/B system...

So, after, analysing all what is say and what i view in MXB, I can admit, Pib' you are right when you say: To push, you need to lean back and to pull you need to lean foward.. But you cannot dissociate this from the gravity point. This is why when you jump, the bike often lean forward, even if you lean back before the jump... And in reality, if you jump on the back of your bike, you go to a wheelie Jump...   Therefore, i think, if it's possible, you need to had the same system like MXS, meaning we can move all body rider/gravity in addition of leaning your chest to pull an push handlebars... With this, it would join what i say, you can lean back and pull in the same time... In other words, I move back and I lean foward. After that, we will have all possibilities to ride your bike, and have a full control... It could be like this:

Left Stick:                                       Right Stick:
Up- Move Foward                           Up: Lean Foward
Down- Move Backward                   Down: Lean Backward
Left- Turn Left                                Left: Lean Left
Right - Turn Right                           Right: Lean Right

In addition, you can make an option which associate the moves or not: Lean + Move, and it any way, associate Move F and Lean F or what you want..

What do you think of this Pib' and Snappe( and all other MXB rider )?

To finish, this topic can be move to physics section i think,
I likely want to be on Tuesday to play it again... Because i can't before
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Quote from: HornetMaX on October 12, 2014, 03:27:09 PM
Quote from: jbrandmx85 on October 12, 2014, 12:52:58 AM
In mx, you squeeze the bike with your knees. Its also with your knees that you steer the bike. You use your legs/ knees to guide the bike in any direction you need to go. Your arms don't do half the work that your legs or knees do
We've heard this a billion time sin GPB: people thinking you steer the bike with your body. That's not the way it works, unless you're talking about mid-air.

MaX.


Sorry, but you can't compare MX and road bike!! It's an amalgam! In road bike you don't move your all body on front or on back of the bike... Only on left on or right.... It's only your chest you move back or front!  And, for the countersteer...

Just few word....in off topic... In Enduro, you listen to turn without countersteer, you listen to turn by turning your shoulder, and in concequence your chest, which turn your knees and legs, which turn faster than countersteer.... That you can't doing whit streetbike.... Search lesson from peterhansel, Frétigné etc etc... So, what it be said for GPB is not totally relevant for MX.... So, i tell this, i tell nothing ( french expession ), i give you my experience from a military school of motorcycling which is internationally recognized. I was schoolrider and after, sometime unoficial teacher for those who want more...
This is the problem to make very real mx games... Because rider do more work like another mecanical sports, and you don't do it only with basic physycs... So, you need to make a choice for transcribe that you can transcribe from realite... I understand it..... So MXB is on the good way, but it's not as simply as therical math' and physics...

One question, when you turn right in MXB, which side you lean?

To finish, i think MXB is on good way unlike MXS, because you can lean on the side and it do a very big difference... And i have a real pleasure to play with it, even if i'am not totaly agree with lean system..

Cheers Band Of Rider! ;)

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So, i am happy i have open a debate!
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Quote from: ChrisK on October 11, 2014, 04:11:54 PM
we dont push or pull our handlebar in rl , we just lean and change the center of gravity

+1!

How to resume my opinion in one phrase! lol
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Quote from: HornetMaX on October 11, 2014, 12:11:35 AM
Quote from: jlou5641 on October 10, 2014, 10:35:47 PM
Mfff... It's difficult to understand... But like i tell it, your arms works like rubberband or suspension... It's not what you do whit it first... It's the inertia you create first with your body you transmite to your bike... Like if you have an input lag between your body and your bike.... But i see no body inertia in air in mxbike... It's the inertia wich move your bike... not the force
Newton is likely puking half-digested apple bites in his grave right now ;D

For me it's the opposite: most jumps I have to lean back to avoid landing on my nose (lean back = push the handlebar).

@jlou5641: are you sure you have not inverted your rider lean fwd/back input setting ? Check in the input settings because it's  very common mistake

@Piboso/Snappe: in the controller setup screen the function is called (rider) F/B lean , but when you assign it, you're requested to push backward first (instead than fwd first). I've read about plenty of people falling in this pitfall here. Much less in GPB, but GPB people are notoriously smarter, so that's not a big news :) Anyay, it'd probably be better to swap that (i.e. ask to push the stick for lean FWD first)

MaX.

Max, i have not inverted my rider lean.. I reassyre you... My Rider leans well forward when i take a turn, to charge the front wheel...

But I think, the problem is a choice to what is the F/B lean and is effect.. In MXS, you can considerate that the choice is LEG and dorsal, so when you lean backward, the rider lean backward and leg + arms work like suspension and the bike lean backward..... In MXbikes, the choice is ported an the arms.... So, in my schoolrider, the first thing we listen, is to tihten your bike with your legs, and we listen that your bike is more controlled by your leg and your chest.

I give you an example:

When you ride on sand, like the Enduro du Touquet in France, you ride much time with lean back and pull your handlebar in the same time... And to pull, you need to use your leg, chest and dorsal muscle to charge back wheel and discharge front wheel. But in Mxbike, to pull, you need to lean foward.... This is why I think Mxbike not taken the problem in the good way... Unlike MXS ( I rassure you, i don't like MXS.... )... This technical tips, lot of rider forget it... and this is why they get tired arms too fast ( and me the first when i forget it after lot af km and get tired )... Because they ride there bike much with there arm, and not with there leg... The concequence to tihten your bike is you cladding ( don't know how to tell this in english ) your chest and you become only one with your bike. At this time, your arms were like suspension..

Another example, when i take a turn, theoricaly i need to countersteer.... Everyone only swears by this rule, but it's not easily like that... Countersteer represent a small percentage of my body action.... To take a turn on right, i work more with my leg and chest... I push on right pegs with my right legs, push with my left legs the left side of my bike to the right, and my bike take angle...My arms only stabilize the bike... Try to ride few meters whitout your arms, and you see how your legs and chest are important.... If you ride without arms and without tithen your bike.. you fall down... But if you ride without arms, but you tithen your bike... you go where you want.... And, that show you how much this tips is important and finally you arms works like suspension in most of case....

So, i you want to push realism on top, you need to separate Lean action and Arms actions, like legs with "sit button". I now it's the first Beta, i love it, but i can't often play it, not enough time
I hope i was clear, because i'am not speeking good english, but for me it's illagical.

So I'am hungry, I need to eat... lol  ;D
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Quote from: PiBoSo on October 10, 2014, 10:25:42 PM
Quote from: jlou5641 on October 10, 2014, 10:24:04 PM
I move my body foward, and i push my handlebar...the bike lean foward...
I move my body back, i pull my handlebar... the bike lean backward...

???
If you push the handlebars, doesn't the body moves back, away from the handlebars?

Mfff... It's difficult to understand... But like i tell it, your arms works like rubberband or suspension... It's not what you do whit it first... It's the inertia you create first with your body you transmite to your bike... Like if you have an input lag between your body and your bike.... But i see no body inertia in air in mxbike... It's the inertia wich move your bike... not the force
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I move my body foward, and i push my handlebar...the bike lean foward...
I move my body back, i pull my handlebar... the bike lean backward...
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I now what you mean Pib', i pull my handlebar ( if you see that with an exterior view )... But, when you ride you don't think like that... You lean your bike with you full body movement... And when you are in the air, when you want to lean foward, you think you move your body on foward... But you don't think to push your handlebar... It's a reflex... Arms and legs works like rubber band to restiture your body movement... So, if you have rigid arms and legs, you can't lean forward or backward because you can't move your body... So Step by step, when you want to lean forward, you move foward, your arms absorbe it and restitute body's movement in few miliseconde...

And for example, if i want to pass whoops on rear wheel, i lean hard backward with my body...and pull my handlebar... it's the same in air....

I think, if it is a debate, it could be cool to have an option too invert it... So from my exprerience, it's not logical like this... MXS is more logical for this.. ( lean F/B system )

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Hello all,

     I'have notice something illogical... When you jump, the bike already lean foward, and to counter it, you need to lean forward too...It's not logical... In fact, when the bike lean foward ( 90% of time grrrr ) you need te lean forward too, and when the bike lean backward, you need to lean backward too....
I'm riding in real life, and I do not this... I lean foward + rear break when my bike lean backward I lean backward + gaz when my bike lean foward...
And it's very frustrating too have the bike already lean foward on jump...

So one more point to finish... For a 350cm3, the front wheel rises up to easily when you accelerate... Very very too easily... It rise up more like my real 450 lol!
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Media / Re: Maryland Fast lap
October 06, 2014, 12:55:48 PM
Whow! Very impresive! With wich controller you play?
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General Discussion / Re: It's Now Mid-April
April 15, 2014, 12:57:48 PM
Plz.... Stop to ask him when he release it... he release it when it release it... you won't die because he don't release it now!!!!! Then, do your own game...