Gyro effect and counter-steering

[al167]

thanks phat, ive been tinkering!! .
i think have discovered the problem to why the bike wont slide. its not traction or front/ back weight bias.

When i set the dry friction to .8 it now wheel spins everywhere. but even when the bike leans over it seems the rear wheel doesn't push out into a slide like it should. it just spins no matter what angle the bikes on.
its as if if the downwards force from the bike/ rider is always directly above the tire, regardless of the tilt angle of the bike or rider position.
are the vector forces that are acting on the wheels changing with lean? it seams they are not, and this is probably why its so stable on rough terrain compared to mxs.

When the bike leans over and the rear wheel starts spinning, the forces on it should push the rear wheel into a slide, which its not doing at present.

[PizzaChet]

I got a slide! http://youtu.be/9D42hWPVhMA